EP. 307.1 — Matinee Monday: The Spirit of Christmas

Paul Scheer [00:00:00] He’s not a ghost and not quite a man. Sounds like the perfect holiday boyfriend. We saw The Spirit of Christmas. So you know what that means…

 

Music [00:00:27] [Intro Song]

 

Paul Scheer [00:00:27] Hello, people of Earth and welcome to How Did This Get Made? I am Paul Scheer, and this is a very special holiday edition of How Did This Get Made? We saw the Hallmark classic, The Spirit of Christmas, which is about a workaholic lawyer who is sent to appraise an inn in a very small town, only to find it’s haunted by a very sexy ghost. Or is he? And is this person maybe the love of her life? Yeah. This movie is weird. And here to break it down is my co-host, Mr. Jason Mantzoukas. How are you, Jason?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:00:57] I’m good. Ho, ho, ho! Merry Christmas, Paul.

 

Paul Scheer [00:01:03] We are so excited to get the team back together for a holiday special because we do have a very special guest. But we also have somebody. She’s my other co-host, but she’s currently serving jury duty right now. June, are you there?

 

June Diane Raphael [00:01:17] (Whispering) Hi.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:01:17] Oh, wait.

 

Paul Scheer [00:01:19] Please tell me. All right. So we–.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:01:24] No.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:01:27] You just going to. You’re going to–.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:01:28] Whisper it.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:01:31] (Whispering) I have to.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:01:32] Oh my God. This is the softest you will ever be.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:01:39] (Whispering) I’m honestly staring at a sign that says the use of cellphones during jury duty is prohibited.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:01:47] So this bears a little bit of explanation. June is currently serving jury duty.

 

Paul Scheer [00:01:53] Yes.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:01:55] And is unable to be with us, but is calling in on the whisper phone.

 

Paul Scheer [00:02:00] Yes. She is going to be listening in and texting.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:02:05] Legitimately like a ghost.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:02:08] This pod is haunted.

 

Paul Scheer [00:02:10] And she will be texting in her thoughts based on what we’re saying. So I’m going to be watching June’s text here as she’s as she is joining us from a jury room in downtown Los Angeles doing her civic duty during this holiday season. But we have a very special guest in studio. You know what? No trash can fires. But some fires are in this movie. Please welcome a How Did This Get Made, all star. How Did This Get Made favorite, Jessica Sinclair. How are you, Jessica?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:02:39] Thank you so much. And you know, if June had to be a ghost, I feel like I am a good living representation and vice versa. Does that makes sense?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:02:49] You would like to give your body to June to possess.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:02:52] That’s right.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:02:53] Is this your way of just trying to sleep with Paul?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:02:55] Yes. And if somebody is listening, who wants to write that up as a screenplay. Let’s do it.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:03] Oh, I’m possessed by June today.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:03:03] Ew, I want to fuck June, if anybody.

 

Paul Scheer [00:03:06] Thank you. So do I. June just wrote, “So true.”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:14] That’s like a secret or the secret. What was the Duchovny movie?

 

Paul Scheer [00:03:17] Oh yeah, right where he–

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:19] Lily Taylor dies and is in the body of her daughter. And as Lily Taylor, his wife, she keeps trying to, in the daughter’s body, sleep with him.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:03:25] No! That would not be made now.

 

Paul Scheer [00:03:28] By the way, it was only made like three years.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:31] It was very recent.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:03:32] Dark. Not interested.

 

Paul Scheer [00:03:34] We need to get you and June to watch that movie.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:03:36] No thank you.

 

Paul Scheer [00:03:40] This movie has been one that people were very excited that we were going to watch.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:43] Why? Why would they be excited?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:03:45] I was excited.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:46] Oh, were you?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:03:47] Because I like some of these movies. And I thought, finally, I’m going to be paid back for all the shit you’ve made me watch that scares me and then this piece of crap, which did scare me for the first–

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:59] What are you talking about? It scared you.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:04:00] I don’t like it when the camera pans like it’s a man watching you. And also very scared to be going to sleep. And don’t make me bring up the story of when we were housesitting, when we were just 25. And you waited till I went to sleep after I watched a Lifetime movie called May I Take Your Order. Do you remember this?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:04:22] Of course I don’t. I don’t remember any of this. And also you watch something called May I Take Your Order?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:04:29] Okay.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:04:30] A Lifetime movie? You’re telling me a Lifetime movie got you scared.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:04:34] Quick digression.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:04:35] Oh, God.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:04:36] We were on a plane–

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:04:37] And by the way, that means very long digression.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:04:40] We’re on a plane, Jason and I, a JetBlue plane to California when we were just a very young. I was young. You were old. And I was watching a Lifetime movie called May I Take Your Order in which somebody was abducting people who were working in like at a burger restaurant.

 

Paul Scheer [00:04:59] By the way, June just chimed in to say, Lifetime movies are scary, Jason.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:05:02] Yes, they are. They play to exactly what we’re afraid of. At any rate, Jason said, Please do not watch this movie. You can’t handle it. And I said, Don’t tell me what I can or can’t do. I’m watching this movie. So then we go to the place, the creepy place that we were housesitting because we had no money. And you waited until I went to sleep because the guy in the movie would tie women up and then and then whisper to them, May I take your order? And so you waited till I fell asleep like a psycho crept into my room and whispered, May I take your order into my ear and scare the shit out of me?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:05:35] Yeah. Did you just bleep yourself?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:05:37] Yes. In case kids are listening.

 

Paul Scheer [00:05:40] Yeah. Yeah. Kids do tune in for the big holiday episode. They think it’s the Hallmark family friendly podcast.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:05:47] Kids love it. And then suddenly we’re just talking about, like, you know, like absolute filth.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:05:53] That’s right.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:05:54] You’re welcome, by the way.

 

Paul Scheer [00:05:55] June is very upset. She is wrote in all caps JASON.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:05:58] That’s right.

 

Paul Scheer [00:05:59] I’ll be playing the part of June and me.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:06:01] Great.

 

Paul Scheer [00:06:02] June also wanted to point out that lifetime does an entire genre of women killing men on Lifetime. It’s fascinating. But also lots of men killing women, too.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:06:12] That’s right. So I don’t like it any time a camera is panning like a man is watching a woman sleep, that’s like my worst nightmare. There was a lot of that in the first 20 minutes.

 

Paul Scheer [00:06:21] Well, it’s interesting that you bring this up and you are kind of right, because this was originally a Lifetime movie that hallmark bought.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:06:28] Makes perfect sense.

 

Paul Scheer [00:06:29] Yeah. So it’s a little bit of a mix of both. I think that Hallmark is so jonesing to like have 25 full Days of Christmas movies that they’re like, we’ll buy this one.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:06:39] They’re just acquiring and this was I will say this. This was boring. I found this, even though there’s like these wild supernatural elements to it. She goes to the inn, and both the ghost story and the romantic story are treated with absolute blasé attitude by every person involved.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:07:01] That’s right.

 

Paul Scheer [00:07:01] It’s it’s an insane movie because I don’t even think I understand it. I rewound this movie multiple times. Like, I thought, what is going on? I mean, it’s a ghost story without the ghost.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:07:12] There’s like three ghosts. By the end of the movie, there’s three ghost?

 

Paul Scheer [00:07:17] Technically, two ghosts, one corporeal man.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:07:21] Person. But then suddenly, at the end, everyone can see the other ghosts.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:07:26] Everybody can see all the ghosts all the time. Some ghosts can walk through walls, some ghosts don’t. The rules and even within the body of the movie, they keep having moments and scenes where people try and explain the rules and they say things like, the female lead at one point says to the guy, “There’s got to be some rules to this.” And I was like, Yes, let’s figure them out please.

 

Paul Scheer [00:07:48] By the way, they give up on even trying to explain it because at one point it feels like the movie goes meta and they’re like the curse is weird. Like this scene right here, it’s like–

 

Movie Audio [00:07:56] I’m no expert on curses, but this one seems weird. He’s a ghost, except for two weeks. Why did he insult a witch?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:08:03] Oh, classic.

 

Movie Audio [00:08:04] There are no witches. Oh, right. Because that would be crazy. Daniel doesn’t know the reason behind his situation.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:08:10] And neither does the writer of this film.

 

Movie Audio [00:08:12] Five years ago for 12 days it was done the same each year ever since. And he can’t leave here. He’s restricted by the Inn’s property line. But there’s too many rules for this to be random. There has to be purpose behind it.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:08:27] And we wish there was.

 

Paul Scheer [00:08:28] I agree. I would believe you if you told me an 11 year old wrote this script and like that’s the level of logic. But there is literally that seems like the transcript of a note session when the screenwriter has given it to someone else. Like but it doesn’t make any sense. Why can’t you go on the property line?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:08:44] And he’s corporeal for two weeks and then he’s this.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:08:48] How many times are you guys going to use the word corporeal?

 

Jason Mantzoukas and Paul Scheer [00:08:51] So many times.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:08:52] I’ve literally not heard that word ever in my life. I know it is a word, but I don’t want to hear it.

 

Paul Scheer [00:08:59] By the way, June said, but we can all agree that they had chemistry, right?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:04] What? No.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:09:04] No.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:09:07] This is a fetish. Is it? I think it’s a fetish of girls. It must be, to fuck a ghost. Right?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:13] Is it, though?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:09:13] It must be.

 

All [00:09:16] [indiscernable]

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:09:18] Who was the ghost in Ghost? I never saw it.

 

Paul Scheer [00:09:20] Patrick Swayze.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:21] Yeah, but they were married.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:09:22] People wanted to fuck that ghost.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:23] They’re a married couple. Their love is real. Like they’re married.

 

Paul Scheer [00:09:26] June has written “I have never fucked a ghost.”

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:09:27] But do you want to?

 

Paul Scheer [00:09:30] “But would love to. Unfortunately, but would love to.”

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:34] How do you know?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:09:34] Drop Dead Fred.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:35] Guys, ghosts could be fucking us all the time. Ghost could be fucking us all the time. We don’t know.

 

Paul Scheer [00:09:42] They fucked Dan Aykroyd or they give him a blowjob.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:44] Yes, I’m sure.

 

Paul Scheer [00:09:45] But this ghost is very sweet. I mean, they just kind of kiss. I mean, it is all about that one peck.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:09:53] Fine that’s hot as hell.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:54] There is no sexual chemistry. Was this a Canadian movie? Is it possible this movie is Canadian?

 

Paul Scheer [00:10:00] No, but the actor is French Canadian. The lead actor.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:10:04] We went to college with a lot of French Canadians.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:10:06] To me it had the chemistry of like Canada. Like it was without chemistry. Like there was no erotic.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:10:12] No disrespect to our Canadian listeners.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:10:14] Oh, no disrespect to our–you know what, Canada? Get it together. Wear something sexier. Show us your dongs, Canada.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:10:25] And do something with it.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:10:25] God damn it!

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:10:26] Stop being so fucking polite.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:10:28] Oh, yeah.

 

Paul Scheer [00:10:32] Let’s even get into the premise of it, which is our lead actor Kate. And I’m going to bring up June’s point right away here, which–.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:10:40] She looks just like Debra Messing.

 

Paul Scheer [00:10:41] She’s does.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:10:42] She’s Messing-esque.

 

Paul Scheer [00:10:44] June says in these movies, every woman who works is considered a workaholic.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:10:49] Yes.

 

Paul Scheer [00:10:50] I mean, she didn’t seem–first of all, I don’t think that they make you like her right away because they have this weird breakup scene where the guy is breaking up with her for being too businesslike. And then she’s like, “Oh, yeah.” I just feel like I don’t–I didn’t want to see this movie about these two characters at all. These felt like side characters.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:11:10] Yeah. It sets her up in this way that she’s, like, married to her job and because of her closed off nature, because she gives the guy this whole speech about every boyfriend who’s broken up with her, or she’s broken up with giving her some sort of reason why or moniker. Yeah, some sort of moniker. Said something to her that had stuck with her about how she’s unavailable romantically or emotionally. How she’s too difficult to, you know, whatever, whatever. And that that is what you’re supposed to believe is like she needs to, you know–

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:11:40] Heal something in herself.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:11:41] Break through this, I guess and it’s revealed later, it’s because of her parents divorce.

 

Paul Scheer [00:11:45] Wait a second. That was the most–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:11:46] Because of her parents divorce?

 

Paul Scheer [00:11:49] Her parents divorce is the reason that she–

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:11:51] That’s not crazy that people could be traumatized.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:11:55] It’s not processed at all, though, like what happened during the parents divorce.

 

Paul Scheer [00:11:58] She goes I’m collateral damage.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:00] Collateral damage?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:12:01] Now listen, Paul had obviously a very tragic childhood.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:05] And he’s figured it out.

 

Paul Scheer [00:12:06] I worked through it.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:12:07] And he worked through it. And we know that. But you’re right. She does not learn anything.

 

Paul Scheer [00:12:13] June just wrote “Paul has issues.”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:17] Paul does have– I mean listen. We’ve all got issues.

 

Paul Scheer [00:12:19] Yeah, pass the tissues.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:12:21] If we’re talking about who has the most.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:23] Paul managed to figure out how to have a relationship.

 

Paul Scheer [00:12:28] How to find love and juggle work.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:29] He didn’t need to find a ghost to fuck.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:12:32] I would.

 

Paul Scheer [00:12:33] And that ghost didn’t solve anything for her. That ghost doesn’t do anything.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:36] The ghost abandoned Lily at the end of the movie.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:12:40] That’s tough.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:41] Like tough look for my girl, Lily, who’s waiting around for a hundred years, and he’s like, “Peace. See ya later.”.

 

Paul Scheer [00:12:47] But by the way, so she’s waiting around.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:49] He doesn’t have a Social Security number. How is he going to live is a real man. Imagine his life now. He lives as like an alien in the world now.

 

Paul Scheer [00:13:02] June says “Lily is not alone. She’s with her dead newborn.”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:13:04] Oh, oh, savage.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:13:08] Who’s taking care of that newborn?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:13:12] Who? Ghost Lily is taking care of ghost Patrick the baby? Like what? And Patrick, the man is meanwhile fucking Kate in the real world just giving her the ghost biz.

 

Paul Scheer [00:13:19] But why is Lily even haunting the house?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:13:24] Why is Lily there?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:13:26] She was giving him a gift. That final–I don’t know–eighth of the movie made no sense.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:13:32] You always split movies into eighths. You gotta. A lot people talk about movies in acts. Three acts. It’s a three act structure. You know, people talk about it in eighths now.

 

Paul Scheer [00:13:42] Yeah. Where is the eighth? Oh is that the final–

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:13:43] You know that new screenwriting book, The Eighth Act. What is wrong with you?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:13:49] Guys.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:13:50] Oh it had me at first eighth. The second and third eighth, I didn’t enjoy it all. Eighth number four, electric. The fifth eighth was not great. Sixth, eighth, terrific. Seventh eighth was actually terrible. The eighth, eighth really brought it home.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:14:04] Okay. My point is, at the end, what Patrick says, “She’s given me a gift.” Which is to heal his anger, to be trapped there. Which, by the way, legit.

 

Paul Scheer [00:14:19] Where is he the other 350 days of the year?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:14:24] In a nightmare that he never wakes from.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:14:25] Yeah, he’s in some sort of limbo state, I think.

 

Paul Scheer [00:14:28] So he is. But is he conscious or in just darkness?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:14:31] I would have loved to have seen that. I would have loved to have gotten a glimpse of whatever other side he exists in.

 

Paul Scheer [00:14:37] I know because it seems like–

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:14:38] And have it be terrifying.

 

Paul Scheer [00:14:40] And by the way. It isn’t a witch that cursed him. It was just Patrick. But Patrick didn’t curse him either.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:14:47] No, Patrick is him.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:14:48] Lily trapped him there, is what I think.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:14:51] With her love?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:14:51] No, because he needed to learn the lesson of like that, what really happened, she didn’t want him to cross over being pissed at her.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:03] Why wouldn’t he just find her there?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:15:06] I don’t know what the rules are.

 

Paul Scheer [00:15:07] June says that she thinks he’s sleeping.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:09] Oh, God. What? The point of the movie is he never sleeps, June Oh, my God. This is wild.

 

Paul Scheer [00:15:16] Well, he never sleeps because he’s sleeping, like, for 350 plus days a year.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:19] I agree with Kate. It is weird when he stays in her room watching her sleep.

 

Paul Scheer [00:15:24] Oh, yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:24] That was creep city.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:15:26] But she, like, wanted it.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:27] Oh, she’s horny for it.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:15:28] But then he, like, looks over his shoulder and goes, “Goodnight Kate”. Like he’s just going to be jerking it while she’s sleeping.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:35] He’s, like– is that like a fantasy for women that they want to be, like, watched while they sleep by a ghost man?

 

Paul Scheer [00:15:42] June says, “Admit it. It was sexy.”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:45] What?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:15:45] No, no, no.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:47] It was not sexy.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:15:49] No.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:49] Nothing was sexy. Although Kate too, for a no nonsense lawyer from Boston, who is told repeatedly that there’s a ghost in the house.

 

Paul Scheer [00:15:57] Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:57] Over and over and over again, meets the ghost and does not believe it’s a ghost.

 

Paul Scheer [00:16:02] But here’s my thing. Who is the ghost that’s been scaring away–

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:16:06] The cousin who killed him. The cousin who killed him.

 

Paul Scheer [00:16:10] The cousin doesn’t want the house to sell, why?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:16:13] No, cousin Harry–

 

Paul Scheer [00:16:15] Doesn’t want the house to sell?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:16:16] He’s just a scary ghost.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:16:19] He’s just a ghost, I believe.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:16:21] He’s trapped there, he’s trapped in that netherworld.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:16:23] Because he murdered.

 

Paul Scheer [00:16:24] Okay.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:16:24] And he doesn’t want to cross over for fear of judgement.

 

Paul Scheer [00:16:27] So Daniel has never scared a person coming in to price out the house?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:16:31] I believe not.

 

Paul Scheer [00:16:33] Okay. Because later on he goes, “You can come in.” But yet he–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:16:36] Because Kate later says he’s the one that’s been scaring away everybody.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:16:40] Cousin Harry?

 

Paul Scheer [00:16:41] Yeah, but why also, why does the innkeeper, who I’m also fascinated with.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:16:46] He’s the scariest character.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:16:48] This motherfucker is– These movies, oftentimes, it’s like they want, like, a little small town, New England type of movie. They want it to feel like Stars Hollow, like populated by oddballs and weirdos. And the Inn is the local point, a focal point for all the weirdos. Every person, every town’s person in this movie is more boring than the last.

 

Paul Scheer [00:17:09] Oh, my gosh. I mean, he is so boring.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:12] His city.

 

Paul Scheer [00:17:14] I mean, there’s a little bit of community theater going on here.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:17:18] I think they hire local.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:20] In where? In Canada?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:17:22] Yes. I think some of those people are probably just in stage versions of Anne of Green Gables, of which I’ve seen many.

 

Paul Scheer [00:17:30] The brother literally looks out as if he’s playing to an audience. Like a community theater.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:36] When the brother and Lily in the fifth eighth of the movie are on the porch and he’s like, saying and he’s saying he’s not coming back. And she was saying, he said he’d be here by Christmas.

 

Paul Scheer [00:17:47] Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:47] He starts to touch her head and face.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:17:51] And he smooshes it.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:52] So he’s repeatedly.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:17:55] You’re screaming, I’m screaming. We got to take it down a notch.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:58] Okay, fine. Cramming her face.

 

Paul Scheer [00:18:01] Why is he grabbing her head like that?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:18:03] He’s grabbing her head so much.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:18:04] Oh, he does it. He’s like, you know what this guy would do? Grab her head and force it to his shoulder over and over and over again. That’s how you comfort someone.

 

Paul Scheer [00:18:12] June says that the other jurors are looking at her because the sound coming out of her phone is so loud. June is weighing in on some of the actors. She said, cop is terrible. So is tavern owner, Daniel is wonderful.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:18:24] Oh, no.

 

Paul Scheer [00:18:26] I will say this. That the the tavern– oh not the tavern owner. I’ll get to her.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:18:32] She is a snooze.

 

Paul Scheer [00:18:34] A snooze Why would you ever want to be with her?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:18:35] We are just demolishing people here.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:18:38] No. It’s not them. It’s the characters, they were written.

 

Paul Scheer [00:18:42] Exactly.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:18:42] And everything in it is flat. Everything.

 

Paul Scheer [00:18:45] Why does the innkeeper leave for 12 days to leave this man all by himself?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:18:51] But then he doesn’t that’s what’s crazy. Then he comes back and plays, like, baccarat with them. Or chess or whatever.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:18:57] Baccarat. Where do you think they are, like in Monaco?

 

Paul Scheer [00:19:01] June just threw down the gauntlet and she said– June just came in to defend it. She said, “It wasn’t the writing, it is the acting. I’m sorry.”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:19:09] I love that you think they’re playing baccarat.

 

Paul Scheer [00:19:12] Baccarat? Like James Bond?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:19:15] You’re not like like. Oh, they’re like literally in a casino in Monaco playing baccarat.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:19:20] I don’t know what that is.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:19:21] You don’t.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:19:22] I don’t know. They’re playing old timey games.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:19:25] What, describe the game baccarat and how it’s played, how do you guess?

 

Paul Scheer [00:19:29] Yeah.

 

Paul Scheer [00:19:30] Is it a card game or a dice game?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:19:32] It’s a checkered board. You throw and you throw dice on it or something.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:19:37] That’s baccarat.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:19:39] I don’t care what baccarat is. My point is–

 

Paul Scheer [00:19:41] James Bond is always, “Bring me the checkerboard.”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:19:43] Bring me my checkerboard and dice. It’s time for baccarat.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:19:47] Here’s a real– Here’s a really fucked up scene, though. When the two of them are just hanging and drinking and talking about how like the girls they’re going to get and he’s like, Kate’s going to come back for you and all that. And like, don’t worry, she wants that ghost dick and like, you’re going to– and that’s fucking crazy.

 

Paul Scheer [00:20:06] Well, then everybody is taking the tavern owner out for a spin at that party.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:20:10] But the guy taking her for a spin looks like he’s 16 years old, like somebody’s nephew.

 

Paul Scheer [00:20:15] I mean by the way, there’s something going on in this town that is bad because that cop literally interrupts their dance in mid-kiss.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:22] Why was that happening? Why did he cut in at that point?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:20:26] Guys, when’s the last time you waltzed with somebody?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:28] I mean, they were terrible dancers.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:20:32] Terrible.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:32] Okay. The most romantic scene when Daniel and Kate are sharing a dance at the Christmas Eve dance party, which is now happening at the inn, right?

 

Paul Scheer [00:20:40] Because the tavern is flooded?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:42] And yes, and everybody, everybody from the inbred town that they live in is there dancing with their relatives who they also fuck. And it literally, Daniel and Kate are having their most romantic moment. They’re going in for the kiss and the cop is like, tap, tap, tap. Time for me to cut it. Doopy doopy doopy doop.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:21:01] Like I don’t even think people cut in anymore in modern day.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:04] People also don’t waltz.

 

Paul Scheer [00:21:06] Everyone is waltzing. June wants to know why did the tavern– oh June wrote, “Fucking pig.” about the cop butting in.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:21:17] Something was wrong with that.

 

Paul Scheer [00:21:18] And she goes, “Why is the tavern flooded? It never rained.”

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:21:21] Interesting.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:21] Oh, yeah, that’s true.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:23] No, a pipe burst, she said.

 

Paul Scheer [00:21:24] Oh, a pipe burst.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:21:24] Yeah.

 

Paul Scheer [00:21:25] But I mean, but by the way, so the [sighs] I don’t know, what’s going on. But I also had an issue like they had to sell this place so quickly. But why not just leave it to the innkeeper? I think that’s a kind of a dick move.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:37] No, because a trust owns it.

 

Paul Scheer [00:21:40] Oh but couldn’t the trust before they died like, “You know what? Hey, guys, we’re putting things in our will, like, let’s give it to the innkeeper. He’s been there every–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:46] I mean, the old lady who died, who owned it, like, remember. We never understood who she was.

 

Paul Scheer [00:21:52] She’s the granddaughter of Lily.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:56] The granddaughter of Lily?

 

Paul Scheer [00:21:57] We never see her. But she’s the one who dies.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:00] Right, right, right. But who–

 

Paul Scheer [00:22:01] Oh, and by the way, he goes, I don’t know what a Christmas tree is.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:05] What?

 

Paul Scheer [00:22:07] Daniel was like, “What is that tree on top of your vehicle?”

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:22:11] Your auto.

 

Paul Scheer [00:22:12] Yeah, Christmas trees, I looked it up, came out in the 16th century, so it’s not like– the dude’s having a full on Christmas party.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:19] He also keeps referring to the Innkeeper’s cell phone as your–

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:22:25] Special device.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:25] Special device, but knows how to turn the alarm on and off effortlessly.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:22:29] I thought this was an ad for ADT. People, there is a close up of that of that beep boop beep boop like 16 times. Like, why do they feature that fucking security system?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:42] So that they’re making sure, you know, that it’s off and on and off and on. But like he seemed, he also didn’t seem like he was from the twenties or whatever.

 

Paul Scheer [00:22:51] His hair.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:54] His hair is crazy,.

 

Paul Scheer [00:22:56] His hair–

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:57] You know what this reminded me of? What was Colin Farrell rides a horse? What was that? Wasn’t that a ghost movie that we did?

 

Paul Scheer [00:23:05] We saw it with Andy Daly. The podcast is like a New York movie. I forget what–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:23:09] Wasn’t that also, like the time travel lovers nonsense.

 

Paul Scheer [00:23:12] Yes.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:23:13] I’m in love with a ghost. Jessica Brown Findlay.

 

Paul Scheer [00:23:15] I remember this. I remember, I don’t remember any details besides it being in the old New York and then time travel and then like racing.

 

Paul Scheer [00:23:21] And he’s on a horse and there’s carriages and, but then it’s also modern day I think.

 

Paul Scheer [00:23:25] But to me, it’s like his hair at certain points later in the movie gets more old timey but it starts out this very of the now.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:23:34] I know one thing and that’s the olden days. And the one thing that upsets me is when you have a haircut that’s too modern. When you speak to modern. Now I felt like, he really had vocal fry. And he looked like he was in a boy band. And it also looked like they had gone to whatever costume rental and just said like, “Fuck it, we’ll take it.”

 

Paul Scheer [00:23:55] By the way, I feel like it was costume rental. Jason was sort of like this kind of looks right. It was like, “Hey, I don’t want to go to a costume place to get a fancy costume for this old timey party. But I think I have this brown blazer that looks about right.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:24:08] You know what it reminds of? I had an olden days Christmas party I hosted for Girls and there was mulled wine. This was about probably nine years ago. And I said, please– I did not say come in costume– I just said this is an olden days themed party. June arrived dressed like one of the wives from those Mormon communities, from like a sister-wife. It was so upsetting. She was the only person dressed up, but it looked like she had gone through her closet. “Oh, this skirt, this, and I’ll button it up.” And that’s what the people in this movie look like. Like olden days people.

 

Paul Scheer [00:24:45] I totally agree. June also said that she remembers being there for that party and that Daniel looked like a Brooklyn barista.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:24:53] Yes! Like one of those stovepipers, steampipers.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:24:55] He looks like one of those guys that, like, does fancy barbershop. Like a steampunk barbershop. You know?

 

Paul Scheer [00:25:01] And I have to say something. This guy wastes so much time for the 12 days that he’s corporeal there.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:25:09] He just reads.

 

Paul Scheer [00:25:10] He fucking irons.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:25:12] Guess what I’m doing if I’m corporeal for only 12 days.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:25:15] Jerking off constantly.

 

Paul Scheer [00:25:15] Fucking and jerking off constantly. Like top to bottom. Here’s the thing, Hallmark. That’s the movie to make. It’s a horny ghost.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:25:27] A ghost fuckathon.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:25:27] A horny ghost, who 12 days a year gets to fuck is brains out. But the first day, his true love shows up. What’s he gonna do? [singles a jingle].

 

Paul Scheer [00:25:41] But, I mean, here’s the thing. Like, of all the things they could have saddled Kate with, like, to be this, like, probate lawyer.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:25:51] Low stakes.

 

Paul Scheer [00:25:51] It just doesn’t– Make her a historian, a local teacher, somebody who understands, like the history so she can maybe connect with them. And she’s always wanted to–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:25:59] Give her some connection to the town.

 

Paul Scheer [00:26:01] Anything.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:02] She’s like, she is plopped here. She is like it’s I guess it’s a fish out of water, blah, blah, blah. But like, give her some agency within the story itself.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:26:11] Do you think they didn’t have the budget to leave the home?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:14] Oh, of course not.

 

Paul Scheer [00:26:16] And those exterior shots looked miserable. They Looked like they were always like “Can we bundle her up? Put another blanket on her?” Like they looked so cold, so uncomfortable.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:26] Well, Kate was a replacement casting because the first actress died in the snow.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:26:34] They like, because she had craft service outside.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:36] All right, she, like, went out to get a mini Twix and RIP’d herself.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:26:41] They had to pry the mini Twix from her frozen hand.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:44] And they still fed it to Daniel because he was number one on the call sheet.

 

Paul Scheer [00:26:50] So also, this movie does the thing, the trope that I’m obsessed with that–

 

June Diane Raphael [00:26:54] Side pony, side pony.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:26:56] Oh, fuck that side pony and that fit and flare dress. What the fuck was that? Were we hiding thighs I never saw because I was like, who made this choice?

 

Paul Scheer [00:27:08] She looks. I mean, that dress. I mean, what’s going on? Why is she getting that dressed up for this party that looks like maybe it’s attended by ten people. And she’s on a automatically like connected to this town.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:27:19] Well, she arrives and on day one, the innkeeper and the ghost are like, “Well, I guess we got to tell her.”.

 

Paul Scheer [00:27:26] Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:27:26] About the whole ghost story, which, by the way, she should not be trusted. And then, B, they tell her and she is legit unfazed.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:27:35] No.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:27:35] Nobody. There are there are so many people in this movie that talk to a ghost and are legit nonplused.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:27:43] This is why I’m so glad I’ve never seen an alien because I don’t want to see that because then I would lose my fucking mind. You know what I’m saying?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:27:54] No.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:27:54] You can’t bounce back from seeing a ghost. You can’t. That means you’re separate from the rest of humanity.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:00] Can I ask you a real question? Real, real talk. Do you believe in ghosts?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:28:04] No. Yes. No.

 

Paul Scheer [00:28:06] June wants me to reveal that I’ve seen a ghost.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:08] What are you talking about?

 

Paul Scheer [00:28:12] All right. I did see a ghost.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:28:15] Where?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:15] What?

 

Paul Scheer [00:28:16] All right, now, here’s the crazy thing about the story. You got to listen to the first part, and then the second part is important. So I was camping out in the hallway of my house when I was a kid.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:28:31] This is so sad.

 

Paul Scheer [00:28:32] So I was camp out in the hallway.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:28:33] By yourself?

 

Paul Scheer [00:28:35] By myself.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:36] Free soloing.

 

Paul Scheer [00:28:37] Yeah. Like, just I had my sleeping bag out in the hallway and the hallway leading from my bedroom to my parents bedroom. So it was like–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:44] How old are you in this story?

 

Paul Scheer [00:28:46] Like 15, 20. By the way, I want to bring one thing down to basics here. I am getting constantly attacked about French kissing my mom.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:54] You’re the one that did it. You’re the one that slipped her that tongue.

 

Paul Scheer [00:28:58] People keep on saying it like I was doing it like I was–.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:29:01] What do you mean you French kissed your mom?

 

Paul Scheer [00:29:02] I tried to do it after you saw a Love Boat episode when I was a young kid.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:08] He saw, he watched a Love Boat episode with his mom and then afterwards slipped her the tongue when kissing her goodnight.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:29:14] The fact that you’re not in a mental insane asylum is amazing to me.

 

Paul Scheer [00:29:19] I didn’t know the difference of kisses.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:20] And then that’s how they kiss for the next year.

 

Paul Scheer [00:29:23] I tried. I tried. Tried.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:30] You got to try. You got to try. You don’t know who’s going to be receptive. You got to try.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:29:35] I’m so upset right now.

 

Paul Scheer [00:29:36] I didn’t know the rules of kissing. I was a child, a little child. I was 15 years old.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:42] 15 is not a child. 15?

 

Paul Scheer [00:29:45] It’s a child.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:46] 15 and French kissing your mom. 15 is when you’ve already French kissed a person.

 

Paul Scheer [00:29:51] It’s no big deal. No, I was very young, but so I was young. I was camping out in my hallway and and I saw this presence. It was a woman in a white dress with a blue like hood. And she was over me. It was very peaceful. It was very quiet. And she just put her hands out like this. And I stood and made eye contact with her for a couple of, you know, felt like a while, but it was probably very short. And then I got up and she wasn’t there. So it wasn’t like– I was awake. I saw the whole thing.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:30:24] Okay.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:25] So they hang on.

 

Paul Scheer [00:30:26] Yes.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:26] Were you, previous to this woman appearing in front of you, possibly, yes. Asleep.

 

Paul Scheer [00:30:32] Okay. So–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:34] Like all this happened while you were brushing your teeth? Or did this happened while you were in bed, possibly asleep?

 

Paul Scheer [00:30:39] It happened while I was camping on the highway. Asleep. I woke up because I felt something. I looked up and felt like I was being stared at. And I was by this. This very angelic image of a woman above me. Now it’s something that’s always stuck out to me in my grand scheme of whatever. Like. One of the things that burnt into my head. Sure. Now, many years later, about four or five years ago, I am at this event with a regular person. And we got we start talking about–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:31:10] What do you mean, a regular person?

 

Paul Scheer [00:31:15] I guess I revealed that he was a regular person before. I, like, told you what he’s going to tell me.

 

Paul Scheer [00:31:19] A corporeal person.

 

Paul Scheer [00:31:19] A corporeal person. Like he’s not,.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:31:22] Oh is this guy a ghost?

 

Paul Scheer [00:31:23] He’s not a medium. He’s not a ghost person. He just said to me, we were talking and he said, you know, as we were talking about other things, he’s like, “Yeah, I have this kind of psychic connection. I do feel like I see ghosts.” And I was like, Really? And he goes, “You saw Ghost when you were a kid.” And described the image to me.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:31:45] With the hood? What did he say though?

 

Paul Scheer [00:31:47] He said a woman standing at your feet in a white outfit with a blue hood when you were a child. You saw this.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:31:53] Now, Paul, are you sure? Because I know a lot of times people retell these things differently because it’s like, you know.

 

Paul Scheer [00:31:58] Yes, I understand. I understand.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:32:01] He said blue hood.

 

Paul Scheer [00:32:02] Yes. It took my breath away because it was. And like he said, he’s an empath. That’s what he sees when he looked into me that he saw that I saw ghost.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:32:13] Was that spirit attached to you still like a bogie?

 

Paul Scheer [00:32:15] The way I felt, the way I felt it to be was that it was almost like a out of my feet, like standing on my feet if my feet were like that, like she was standing on me.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:25] But then do you think, though, this is a real question. Do you think, though, that that man– let’s take for let’s take for like let’s assume the validity of both of these stories.

 

Paul Scheer [00:32:35] Yes.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:37] Like if you said to that man, how do you know that? Would he say, oh, because she’s still right there?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:32:42] That’s what I mean.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:42] She’s been with you the whole time.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:32:45] Did he see the person on you?

 

Paul Scheer [00:32:45] And that’s what I kind of asked him.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:47] Like, are you in the presence of this blue hooded woman all of your life?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:32:51] Is she here now?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:52] You just had that one moment–that one glimpse, right? Or–.

 

Paul Scheer [00:32:56] June said maybe she’s here right now, like, and that’s why–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:00] Is she single? I’m asking for a friend.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:33:04] Maybe it’s the ghost you’ve been waiting for all your life.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:06] I’m not having luck with alive girl.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:33:09] You’re not having luck in the corporeal world.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:11] So, like, you keep using corporeal. I’m not sure why, but I would love it. Maybe I need to open up. Maybe I need to get on one of these dating apps that connects me with ghosts.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:33:22] Not a bad idea.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:22] Yeah, I’m just swiping on Spectre.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:33:24] Honestly, your commitment issues are so great. I feel like 12 days a year might be too much.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:30] Too much. You know what? Back off. Too much. You’re smothering me.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:33:37] Literally because I can feel you pressing on my chest while I sleep.

 

Paul Scheer [00:33:39] And look, I can see all the reasons, truthfully.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:33:42] No, that is a crazy story Paul.

 

Paul Scheer [00:33:43] But the addition to it really freaked me the fuck out.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:47] And so did you jump up from your camping in the hallway and jump into your mom’s bed and make out to make yourself feel better?

 

Paul Scheer [00:33:53] I would never get into bed with her. You know, she had her husband there that night.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:55] Oh, right. And he didn’t know about you guys?

 

Paul Scheer [00:33:58] No, we had to keep it on the DL. Now, I’m just begging to be attacked. I know.

 

Paul Scheer [00:34:06] I will say something about this ghost. She comes into the inn, picks up a picture of him.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:34:13] The lawyer.

 

Paul Scheer [00:34:14] Oh, sorry. Oh, sorry. The lawyer. Picks up a picture of the ghost. Looks at it. It looks like a picture that has an Instagram filter on it. Stares at it. And then when she meets him, just mere moments later, moments later, she’s like, “Oh, who are you?”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:34:27] She assumes he’s a real person. You’ve just seen his picture. That’s what was weird to me, because either have him appear as a human being because he is again, he’s not like a specter in this instance of these 12 days. He’s a living, breathing human man. Let her discover him, assuming it’s a man and have to figure out he’s a ghost.

 

Paul Scheer [00:34:46] Right.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:34:47] But the reality is, if you see her see the picture and then see him side by side and then there’s newspaper clippings on the wall with pictures of him.

 

Paul Scheer [00:34:57] Or I thought oh okay. We’ve seen enough Scooby Doos to know that people hire people that look like– maybe he’s an actor they hired, you look a lot like him. Maybe the innkeeper doesn’t want people to–

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:35:08] Sure. Maybe they’re trying to chase away people like they don’t. They don’t investigate. They don’t investigate at all. Everybody is so, “Oh, okay.” Everything is so slow.

 

Paul Scheer [00:35:20] It takes place in a world where ghosts exist. I mean, like, this is the scene where she talks to the innkeeper about the ghost.

 

Movie Audio [00:35:26] Kate with Padden and Turner. I’m here for the property appraisal.

 

Movie Audio [00:35:28] Yes. Mr. Murray arrived early, left early to.

 

Movie Audio [00:35:31] What happened?

 

Movie Audio [00:35:33] Was probably the ghost.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:35:35] Come on, man.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:35:37] Probably the ghost.

 

Movie Audio [00:35:38] Though Daniel’s never harmed anyone. Every once in a while, he does assert himself.

 

Movie Audio [00:35:43] Daniel.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:35:44] What does that mean?

 

Movie Audio [00:35:46] You’re on a first name basis with the ghost.

 

Movie Audio [00:35:47] You know, when you’ve worked here. As long as I have. Daniel Jacob Forsyth, once owned this Inn many years ago.

 

Paul Scheer [00:35:56] He basically lays out the premise and then minutes later she sees him. And here’s the other thing. He just debunked our theory. That means that Daniel is scaring away the people, but yet he has not appeared there yet because there’s a– so maybe he’s a ghost for some of the year and then he’s corporeal for 12 days?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:13] No, the cousin is the guy, the ghost.

 

Paul Scheer [00:36:17] But he says he just said Daniel. Oooooh.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:20] He doesn’t know. He thinks we’re meant– we as well as everybody else spends most of the movie believing Daniel is the only ghost haunting the house. What we find out at the end, M. Night Shyamalan style, which apparently is blowing your mind right now which is shocking is–.

 

Paul Scheer [00:36:38] No I get it.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:39] Is that Harry is the ghost who’s malicious.

 

Paul Scheer [00:36:42] Okay I guess I thought like– I was taking it at face value that like, that he had some sort of a conversation with Daniel and Daniel’s like, “I don’t want you to sell the house.” Because later on they do talk and he’s like, “Don’t sell the house.” It is confusing.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:56] They seem to be bros.

 

Paul Scheer [00:36:56] Yeah. But yeah, he leaves him alone for 12 days instead of like, let me bring people in.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:01] Let’s hang.

 

Paul Scheer [00:37:01] Yeah, let me tell you what went on this last year.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:03] Why don’t you, like, jerk off and fuck while you’re like– you know, like when Ben Grimm isn’t the thing for one day.

 

Paul Scheer [00:37:10] Yeah, he’s going to go do–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:11] He’s got to get laid. He’s got to get his dick wet, because it’s finally not made of stone.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:37:18] Honestly the person most turned on by ghost sex at this table is you.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:22] Yes. I’m into it. I’m gonna– listen. I’m not lying like I’m into like a bunch of sexy lady ghosts.

 

Paul Scheer [00:37:30] I could see you doing that eyeroll that Dan Aykroyd did in Ghostbusters. I would say that this movie also was shot so fucking quickly. There’s a scene when Daniel, the ghost or corporeal man, gets up to move his plate and his knife falls in the ground, and the scene just keep on going.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:37:46] Nobody cares.

 

Paul Scheer [00:37:47] No it’s like, “Let’s go.”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:48] Leave it behind, leave it, leave it, keep going.

 

Paul Scheer [00:37:49] There are moments in this thing where I feel like people are like “I kind of flubbed that take”– “we got it, we got it, we got to go.”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:56] Everybody is just acting as though they can barely remember their lines. Yeah, I mean, like, they’re trying hard to remember “What was the line? Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah, here we go.”

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:38:06] Take it. Take it back. Also, her hair is not red to begin with. And then as soon as she arrives at the inn, she’s got a red wash in it. I don’t know if they shot things–

 

Paul Scheer [00:38:17] June wanted me to ask you. She says all Hallmark heroines have a very specific blowout.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:38:22] Oh, well, too many layers. Absolutely too many layers. But now, I thought this was a current movie, and now I realize it was 2015.

 

Paul Scheer [00:38:32] Yeah.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:38:32] It was coming out of a Jennifer Aniston– I mean, it’s like kind of an old school.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:35] Wait 2015?

 

Paul Scheer [00:38:37] Yeah, that’s when it came out.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:38] That’s not Jennifer Aniston.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:38:40] You’re right.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:40] That’s– you mean like Friends Jennifer Aniston, like the late nineties?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:38:44] Yes.

 

Paul Scheer [00:38:44] Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:45] You mean like 18 years before?

 

Paul Scheer [00:38:48] A decade after.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:38:49] But it was such a classic. It stuck around. Especially for the Hallmark crap.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:54] Well, yeah, I was going to say it might have just got– it might have just gotten to Canada.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:38:58] They’re still like, “Are Ross and Rachel going to get back together?”

 

Paul Scheer [00:39:02] This is shot in your neck of the woods in Massachusetts.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:39:05] Oh, was it?

 

Paul Scheer [00:39:05] Yes.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:39:06] Where do you know?

 

Paul Scheer [00:39:07] I do know, actually. This was– it was filmed at the historic Proctor Mansion located in Wrentham, Massachusetts, and the Harding Allen Estate located in Bar, Massachusetts.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:39:17] Okay.

 

Paul Scheer [00:39:18] While the real Proctor Mansion inn does not have a ghost story, there is a mystery surrounding the inn.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:39:25] Mmmmm juicy.

 

Paul Scheer [00:39:25] Yeah, by the way, this you know [chuckles] I just, again, want to get to the chunk of this thing, which is Kate has no one in her life, no one to go home to.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:39:38] Are her parents dead?

 

Paul Scheer [00:39:40] I mean, their divorced. She’s collateral damage. Did they divorce her?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:39:43] She doesn’t– does she talk to her mom on the phone at one point or no, she doesn’t, right? It’s the lead up to Christmas and she has no communication with either of her parents. Are they– they must be dead.

 

Paul Scheer [00:39:56] They divorced her.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:39:58] They’re still together but they divorced her?

 

Paul Scheer [00:40:00] She is collateral damage. We were better without you.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:40:04] Her parents dumped her.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:40:05] If anything it would seem like she’s got two options. Good options. Go with her mom or her dad.

 

Paul Scheer [00:40:10] Or go with that head of the law firm wore those cool Hawaiian shirts. By the way, it was like they shot him in the darkest room in a Hawaiian shirt.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:40:18] In a tan chair.

 

Paul Scheer [00:40:20] Oh, again, I was going to bring this up before I just had to bring it up. And at one point someone will just say, yes, Paul, I hear you. But it is the fact that I hate these Christmas movies where everyone’s having their office company party on Christmas Eve.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:40:35] That’s crazy.

 

Paul Scheer [00:40:36] I’ve been around. That’s a time for family, not for, like, corporate work parties, not Christmas Eve.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:40:44] Nobody has ever had an office party ever in the history.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:40:47] YAlso, that office, a thriving law office, appears to just have the two of them in it and not be able to see or look at other offices or other people. The movie can’t afford extras. The movie can’t afford office space.

 

Paul Scheer [00:41:03] June said they can afford a lot of extras snow, this great for the production value.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:41:06] I was worried about their lungs, honestly, with all that extra snow.

 

Paul Scheer [00:41:10] Too much. June just wanted to slam me and say that I haven’t been around that many corporations. But still I mean, it’s still I, I still think a Christmas Eve party is a misnomer. It’s not a thing.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:24] No. A holiday party is usually, you know, in the late teens, early twenties of December.

 

Paul Scheer [00:41:30] Yes, no one’s like, “Hey, so we’re just going to get everybody together at the law firm tonight.” Yeah, like get away from your family.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:37] Figure your shit out at home.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:41:39] Unless you’re Scrooge McDuck.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:39] Yes. Friend of the pod.

 

Paul Scheer [00:41:42] I wrote. I wrote that. I mean, he’s so great. We try to record in his giant safe but we always are hearing that money, that change rattling. By the way, I wrote down this, “This movie made me want to go to bed, not like fall asleep. But literally–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:58] So you could see your ghost?

 

Paul Scheer [00:41:59] Oh I’d love to see it, but to like literally get snuggled up in a bed. Like, I felt the bed work in this movie was that at an all time high.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:42:06] Here’s what I will say that I enjoyed. I love like a cozy New England inn in the snow, like to your point of like. [indiscernible] Don’t get me started. Give me Sookie’s meals at the Dragonfly.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:42:19] Come on, now,.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:42:20] Give me the upstairs room with doors, please.

 

Paul Scheer [00:42:23] Does Sookie make pancakes in the oven like this guy did?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:42:27] That was strange.

 

Paul Scheer [00:42:28] Open up the oven. Here’s a plate pancakes.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:42:31] I’m assuming made them and then was just keeping them warm in the oven?

 

Paul Scheer [00:42:34] How many people are you making pancakes for? It didn’t seem like they had a morning rush.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:42:38] In none. None of any of this movie– And there was– what is there, seven actors in the movie? Tops.

 

Paul Scheer [00:42:45] I’m going to look at what the IMDB list is because it really can’t be that much.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:42:50] How much– I mean, yeah, I don’t know. I’m assuming they just feel like these Hallmark movies, they have to come in at a certain budget. So this is what they’re doing.

 

Paul Scheer [00:42:59] I mean, it’s an hour and 30 minutes on the nose. All right. Let’s see how many–

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:43:05] Also if you fast forward, which I did, any of the establishing shots.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:09] Oh yeah.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:43:09] That cuts 40 minutes out of the movie.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:11] Oh by the way there is so– I wrote that down too. There is so much wasted–

 

Paul Scheer [00:43:15] 11. 11 speaking roles.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:43:18] Wow in a whole film.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:19] Shocking.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:43:20] A whole film.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:20] That’s shocking.

 

Paul Scheer [00:43:22] And by the way, I’m looking at some of them and I don’t even remember them. Some of them don’t even have pictures next to their– yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:29] It’s crazy. There is so much wasted time in establishing shots so much wasted time within scenes, lingering on, lingering on set deck, lingering on like stuff.

 

Paul Scheer [00:43:41] June wants me to point out that Hallmark and Lifetime does pay its actors well and they always put them up in for season accommodations.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:43:48] Well, honestly, why aren’t we getting offers. June and I would gladly go do a three day film.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:53] By the way, here’s what I’m going to say, Hallmark, give us a movie, the four of us.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:43:59] That would be great!

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:01] A Christmas movie that’s the four of us. And we all fuck ghosts. We all fuck. There’s four of us and we are correspondent to four ghosts.

 

Paul Scheer [00:44:11] June’s in. She said, “Oh my God, I would love that.” Oh, this movie is really trying to pull off this twist. And I think that that’s what’s so weird about it is the love story is not working for me.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:44:26] Nope.

 

Paul Scheer [00:44:26] I don’t get it. And then the twist is convoluted. You get it.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:30] What’s the twist? Oh, the second ghost. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

 

Paul Scheer [00:44:34] The second or third, because Lily’s also a twist.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:36] Lily’s hanging out as well.

 

Paul Scheer [00:44:37] And she’s, like, able to bring him, like, she touches him with his hand.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:41] Lily can grab Patrick’s hand, but Patrick can’t see Lily. But Patrick can see Harry.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:44:47] And this is the first time he’s–

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:48] Seen Harry.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:44:48] In 95 years, Lily has never appeared to him, has never thought–

 

Paul Scheer [00:44:53] That’s the weirdest thing. June just keeps on writing. “Who is Patrick?”

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:44:58] Who is Patrick?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:59] What do you mean?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:45:00] Is that in his name?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:01] Is that his name?

 

Paul Scheer [00:45:02] I think that’s his name. Patrick is the–

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:45:04] Who’s Daniel?

 

Paul Scheer [00:45:04] Well, one is his brother, right? Patrick is the brother and then Harry is the one who killed him.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:08] Oh, wait a minute. What’s the lead guy’s name? Patrick.

 

Paul Scheer [00:45:11] Daniel.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:11] Daniel? Oh, I’m saying Patrick by mistake. Sorry, everybody. Sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

 

Paul Scheer [00:45:17] Cousin Henry. Brother Charles.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:19] Cousin Henry is the murderer. Prince Harry. Prince William.

 

Paul Scheer [00:45:24] Cousin, is it Henry or–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:25] Princess Meghan.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:45:26] What is it about inns that give ladies boners?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:33] Ladies love. Here’s what ladies love. Ghosts. Inns.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:45:36] Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:37] You know.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:45:39] Ghosts. Inns. A foreign location and then quitting their job.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:43] Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like Under the Tuscan Sun or whatever, you know. What’s it called? A year?

 

Paul Scheer [00:45:48] No. Oh, yeah, yeah.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:45:49] Under the Tuscan Sun.

 

Paul Scheer [00:45:50] June said “Horny for inns. Love it all.”

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:45:53] But why?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:54] Why, why, why.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:45:56] I’m not horny for an inn.

 

Paul Scheer [00:45:57] I don’t like, I don’t like a BnB, I hate it.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:03] [Indiscernible] because you know what those people want to talk to you.

 

Paul Scheer [00:46:04] I don’t like that.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:05] And guess what? I hate people.

 

Paul Scheer [00:46:07] Oh, I get so much guilt for not being down for the breakfast. Oh, you don’t want that.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:13] Yeah, cause I’m on vacation and I slept.

 

Paul Scheer [00:46:15] Yeah. I don’t want to be there.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:17] And they’re all listening to you fuck. All they do is listen to you fuck because all you’re in is their old daughter’s former room. She’s in college now, and I get to fuck in her room?

 

Paul Scheer [00:46:28] I went on a romantic trip to a BnB, and it was not fun. The room, like the theme of the room was like–

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:34] The theme?

 

Paul Scheer [00:46:35] Oh yeah.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:46:36] There’s always themes and there’s always a tub, a freestanding tub in the middle of the room.

 

Paul Scheer [00:46:40] Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:41] And there’s always stuffed animals.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:46:42] Always stuffed animals.

 

Paul Scheer [00:46:43] June is asking “When did I go on this romantic getaway?”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:45] I was just going to say.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:46:46] Oh, who did you go on it with? Your mom?

 

Paul Scheer [00:46:50] Oh, hey, hey, hey.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:46:51] Nailed it.

 

Paul Scheer [00:46:52] Which I’m also on. Guys check out Nailed It. Jason on Nailed It as well.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:56] Nailed It Holiday season. What what!

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:46:58] I was so jealous too see you as a contestant, Paul.

 

Paul Scheer [00:47:02] That was a very high, very big highlight for me this year.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:47:06] I screamed. I’ve been trying to get on Nailed It. No joke.

 

Paul Scheer [00:47:10] I can help.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:47:10] You can do that.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:47:11] That’s all I want.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:47:12] We could do that very easy.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:47:13] They don’t want me.

 

Paul Scheer [00:47:14] No, they want you.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:47:16] Wait, did you do something to them?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:47:17] Possibly, but holy shit. And you in that tux. Wait? Are you talking about–

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:47:23] There’s a new one now. There’s a second one, yeah. There’s a second one that just came out. The holiday, holiday season. Yeah, that’s all it’s called. Yeah. It has just come out and yeah.

 

Paul Scheer [00:47:35] It’s a lot of fun and I’m a contestant and Jason is a judge. Not on the same episode. Yeah, but oh man that was a stressful day.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:47:43] Was it?

 

Paul Scheer [00:47:43] Oh god yeah. It was incredibly– because I, you know, they were very nice to me. They wanted me to be a judge and I said, I really want to be a contestant. Can I do it? And then they said to me, “All right, you can go on.” And I said, well, here’s my bit. I want to play a pharmacist from Pasadena. I’ll say, My name is Ted, and then Nicole the whole time wil be like, “But you look like my friend Paul.” And I’m like, “I don’t know who that is.” And I recorded a video and I did all my intro and then they said, “You know what? You do have to do it as yourself.” I’m glad that that change was made,.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:48:14] By the way, yes.

 

Paul Scheer [00:48:15] I think it would have been weirder. It would have been too weird, I think, for the Nailed It audience, which is a lovely audience. But it would have been weird.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:48:23] Oh, it would have been so confusing. That’s such a funny bit. Like so many, so many of Nailed It’s fans which I love are like 8 year olds. Are kids.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:48:33] Phoebe, my six year old daughter now thinks Paul is a celebrity.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:48:37] What about me?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:48:39] Doesn’t care about you. But I would think that that kind of bait and switch of your identity would be much like the confusing nature of this movie.

 

Paul Scheer [00:48:49] Yes.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:48:49] Like, where are the rules of Nailed It?

 

Paul Scheer [00:48:51] Why? Why, why?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:48:52] What are the rules? Why are you there, you’re a real person?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:48:55] I feel like it nailed it. People react honestly versus in this. The reactions are not honest at all that people should be– when they meet Daniel– losing their entire mind.

 

Paul Scheer [00:49:06] Oh yeah. I mean, but this whole movie, I mean, maybe she’s working so hard that she’s just– I mean, sometimes I feel like this. Like, you know, like, what’s the next thing? I’ll just take it. I’m just taking it on the chin. I got to– I got to keep on moving forward. I don’t have time to react.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:49:22] Also it can’t. Again, low stakes. She wants a promotion, so she’s willing to spend 12 days in a haunted mansion where a ghost could fuck her to death at any minute.

 

Paul Scheer [00:49:33] She doesn’t need to spend 12 days there. She’s doesn’t need to spend any time there.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:49:37] No, she doesn’t.

 

Paul Scheer [00:49:38] She doesn’t need to do any of this stuff. She’s, you know, saving, pinching her pennies. So she’s not staying in a local place.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:49:47] No but after the first night where she believes there is a man in the house that is hiding. She doesn’t get the fuck out of there?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:49:54] No. And she calls the sheriff to come over. He’s like, it’s all clear. She walks in the house. He’s there again.

 

Paul Scheer [00:49:59] June wants to go. June says, “I’ll ask again.” Because I haven’t been saying it. She goes, “Why does this have to happen in a week?” And I can answer that because it needs to be done before taxes are handed in, because they don’t want to get taxed.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:50:11] Who cares?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:13] I mean, the estate of the old lady, I guess. You got to save money on those, you know, estate taxes.

 

Paul Scheer [00:50:18] Oh, my God. I mean, so he gets dealt with this final question. Does he stay? Or does he go?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:29] So he’s able to– Lily gives him an option. Like you can stay, you can come to the afterlife with me, your true love.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:50:37] You fucked me in our real life. You fucked me over. By rum running.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:42] Yep.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:50:43] And then. And then I died having your baby.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:47] Heartbreak. But heartbroken.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:50:48] Heartbroken. And now I had to watch you kiss–

 

Paul Scheer [00:50:52] But just gently kiss. I mean this is like a Hallmark movie. This is like a handhold and a peck.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:56] Yes, agreed.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:50:57] Question. Why does she fall asleep?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:00] Yes, it almost. I’m not kidding. Is this another fantasy for women? The man, ghost man Daniel put Kate to bed like a child. Three different times.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:51:17] Well that’s kind of hot. We’re very tired.

 

Paul Scheer [00:51:21] Do you like that as a– do you want a man to put you into bed?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:23] Like in your street clothes?

 

Paul Scheer [00:51:26] She’s always in her street clothes.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:27] She’s always in street clothes.

 

Paul Scheer [00:51:28] That’s how I knew this show– That’s how I knew this movie was cold because she’s like in four layers under big sheets.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:34] But he tucks her in repeatedly like she’s a baby?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:51:38] I kind of do want to be put to bed.

 

Paul Scheer [00:51:41] June wants to be put to bed, too.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:42] What? No, that’s insane.

 

Paul Scheer [00:51:45] June has asked me to tuck her in.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:51:47] I feel like at a certain point, you’re so tired that you wouldn’t mind being tucked in, someone to just have sex with you while you’re half asleep.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:55] That’s a difference. That makes sense.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:51:57] Like, because then you don’t have to do anything.

 

Paul Scheer [00:51:59] Right.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:03] But that’s– that’s just like, I don’t want to have to do– I want my needs to be met without having to ask for it. But Kate–.

 

Paul Scheer [00:52:09] Tuck me in, and I’ll lay there like a dead rat.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:13] Tuck me and fuck me. That’s the t-shirt.

 

Paul Scheer [00:52:16] Oh, my God. All right. So June also wanted to say, like, she feels like Lily is mad at him for the wrong reasons. Like he was rum running to save the inn because no one was coming because of the influenza and the economy.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:52:31] And she’s just pissed that he’s not making it back for Christmas Eve. Who cares?

 

Paul Scheer [00:52:35] For the party that looks like they couldn’t afford extras. So they have to do most of it on–

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:52:39] Did he know? Did Daniel know that she was pregnant?

 

Paul Scheer [00:52:42] No.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:43] I don’t think so. Because that was his misunderstanding.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:52:47] And did she know, that she was pregnant? And when he got killed?

 

Paul Scheer [00:52:50] Did he only have that misunderstanding– by the way, she should have been a podcast host, who’s doing a true crime thing. Like ooo that would have been great.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:59] Smart. [indiscernible].

 

Paul Scheer [00:53:03] But did Daniel know about the kid or was it a reveal but when that other– when the tavern owner’s like, “Did you know that she had a kid?”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:53:09] I think it was a reveal, but he knew– he felt like she had betrayed him with his brother because he saw that porch scene. Remember the cold open of the movie is him watching that same handsy head porch scene.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:53:21] But the moment that that boring woman in a sheath dress, the tavern owner says that there was a baby. We all knew it was his, right?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:53:32] No.

 

Paul Scheer [00:53:35] Oh, yes.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:53:36] Of course. Oh, I see.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:53:37] Why was it such a– why did it take them another 4/8 of the movie, which is a half to find out about that?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:53:44] Unclear. Well, here’s the thing. He has, in all of his years of coming back for 12 days, he even though he says he did, he never gets to the root of any of the information, except– because it’s not until.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:53:57] He says Cousin Harry helped him research it. But then and so now we know he was like, he’s the one who organized the killing.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:05] I’m assuming.

 

Paul Scheer [00:54:06] Yeah but June just brought up a good point, which I’m kind of confused by, but I’m going to read it out loud. She says, “Why did Daniel have sex outside of his marriage? He should answer for that.” And I go, when did he have sex?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:54:18] To get Lily pregnant.

 

Paul Scheer [00:54:19] To have his child with Lily. But, I mean.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:54:21] That is kind of crazy.

 

Paul Scheer [00:54:22] Yeah. Not his marriage.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:23] Oh, you mean like. Well, no, she was his fiancee.

 

Paul Scheer [00:54:26] That’s what I thought too. Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:28] They were going to. They were to be married, I believe.

 

Paul Scheer [00:54:31] But outside this marriage. But she goes. But still.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:54:34] But still. That’s true. At that time, that wasn’t the right thing. But I think a lot of people did it, I think a lot of people did it.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:40] People were fucking.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:54:41] But here’s my question is the reason why Lily is so aggro about him coming back. That’s because she is pregnant? She knows she’s pregnant?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:50] Yes.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:54:51] But hasn’t told him?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:52] Correct.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:54:53] And is maybe going to tell him on Christmas? I mean, like, that’s the thing.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:56] Who knows?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:54:56] I would have loved to be like “She was going to tell me.”

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:59] What’s the story? There is no story. You know, like there’s no like– this should have a mythology to it. This movie, you know.

 

Paul Scheer [00:55:08] They don’t have time. They don’t have– they simply don’t have time. I mean, because this is how it kind of ends up, which is the lamest response or the biggest like “throw it all in” which is this.

 

Movie Audio [00:55:21] Why is this happening? Why haven’t you moved on?

 

Movie Audio [00:55:24] Where else would I go? I murdered someone.

 

Movie Audio [00:55:25] He’s afraid of judgment.

 

Movie Audio [00:55:29] As long as you stay here. You’re my anchor.

 

Movie Audio [00:55:36] Because wanting to chase people away, make sure he’s alone. You killed him and cursed him to this purgatory.

 

Movie Audio [00:55:42] No, that’s not true. I don’t know why you’re stuck here, Danny. I swear it.

 

Movie Audio [00:55:48] I know. He’s not why I’m here. Turns out it’s not a curse after all. It’s a miracle.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:56:00] Why?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:01] Why?

 

Paul Scheer [00:56:01] Why?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:02] By the way, now Lily has shown up.

 

Paul Scheer [00:56:04] Right? But he can only see Lily.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:06] Only he can see Lily?

 

Paul Scheer [00:56:06] Yeah, because she shows up, and then this guy who killed him doesn’t look over.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:13] Can Kate see him. Can Kate see Lily?

 

Paul Scheer [00:56:14] I think Kate can see the killer and Daniel. But not Lily. Because–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:19] Why? What are the rules?

 

Paul Scheer [00:56:20] I mean, because she’s looking at him nodding.

 

Movie Audio [00:56:26] If fear is what’s keeping you here, Harry? I forgive you.

 

Paul Scheer [00:56:33] I also like that Harry is still in a scarf and a hat.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:56:36] He’s so hot during the shooting of this.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:37] Oh, my God.

 

Paul Scheer [00:56:38] He’s like. But everyone’s like, more layers. More layers. Well, I mean, there it is.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:56:45] But guys, I still don’t really understand.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:47] I don’t either. What’s the gift?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:56:49] What’s the gift?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:49] What’s the gift?

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:56:50] To heal all the wrong.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:51] The miracle. What’s the miracle? Like what? I don’t understand.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:56:55] What does that mean?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:57] The miracle is that he would find out and understand that. That she loved him. She didn’t betray him. She was going to have his child, etc., etc.. Is that the– is that what she needs him to know? Is that what makes him restless? You know? You know? Yeah. I don’t. I don’t know. That doesn’t make any sense. It’s dumb. This is a dumb movie.

 

Paul Scheer [00:57:17] You know what? We have this opinion about this film, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It’s now time for second opinions.

 

Second Opinion Song [00:57:29] The movie was a piece of shit. Yet this person recommends it. Tell me, what is the message? Maybe that art is subjective. I need a second opinion.

 

Paul Scheer [00:57:48] Thank you, John Lajoie. And here are second opinions culled from Amazon.com. There are 580 reviews of this film. 86% are five star reviews. Only 1% are one star reviews. This is higher than most of the films that we do on this show. The average rating is 4.8 out of five stars.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:58:11] Crazy.

 

Paul Scheer [00:58:12] Let’s get into it. Jay Yonchie writes, “Good story. Good acting. The British believe in ghosts. So this story is rather British and very well told. All the characters are well acted rationally, so they made the story almost believable. If your ideas about ghosts are very rational. I found the movie’s made for Lifetime terribly primitive. But this one is good due to the acting. Five stars.”

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:58:42] This is a man who wrote this?

 

Paul Scheer [00:58:43] I don’t know. Jay Yonchie.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:58:44] Okay.

 

Paul Scheer [00:58:45] And then I didn’t read this one part. It goes, I enjoyed it at first. I purchased it for my family and they agreed.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:58:52] Oh, wow.

 

Paul Scheer [00:58:55] NGM writes, “I’ve come to really enjoy this movie. Being a grief educator, I felt like it had a lot to say about grief and loss and unresolved issues as well as love within ourselves, even if it was a fictional story. The music is quite peaceful and restful.” I don’t know.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:59:10] I did think to myself that I would maybe purchase this soundtrack and play it while making christmas cookies.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:59:17] What are you talking about?

 

Paul Scheer [00:59:19] “This is a great movie to relax by.”

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:59:21] That would double the box office returns of this movie.

 

Paul Scheer [00:59:27] “A great movie to relax by. Sometimes when I can’t sleep, I watch it again.”

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:59:30] That’s fucking weird.

 

Paul Scheer [00:59:31] This is saying it’s a sleeping pill.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:59:33] But that is what you just said, Paul. You wanted to be tucked in.

 

Paul Scheer [00:59:36] I wanted to be tucked in. I did, too. Birdwatcher writes–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:59:40] Birdwatcher?

 

Paul Scheer [00:59:41] Birdwatcher.

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:59:42] Guys no joke. I worked for a birdwatching channel. Remember that?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:59:44] I do.

 

Paul Scheer [00:59:44] Oh, wow. “Though young children won’t be interested in it, it’s different and better than the usual hallmark romances, where a single parent with a dead spouse or a workaholic meets and falls in love with blah blah blah.”

 

Jessica Sinclair [00:59:57] Give me that.

 

Paul Scheer [00:59:58] “Those get old fast. This one is interesting. This one has a twist. That being said, there’s a few flaws when one looks at the messages given regarding ethics and criminal activities. Let’s not go there. Five Stars.”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:00:08] Was the one we did with Mario Lopez and Melissa Joan Hart.

 

Paul Scheer [01:00:12] ABC family.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:00:13] Okay. Okay. Okay.

 

Paul Scheer [01:00:14] Yeah.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:00:15] Remember that when they all got the– they were all exploding out of their butts in that house. Do you remember that? They got the butt exploding?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:00:22] See, this movie could have used a little bit more butt explosions.

 

Paul Scheer [01:00:26] And then this is interesting. I’m just going to read this one. This is a Mike Aja writes, “The fantastical ghost story really needs to be watched several times to figure out the time sequence and the relationships of the various characters at either end of a century. I love this film. The costars are compatible and believable, and the caretaker is warm and comfortable in his role. I like Daniels little eccentricities, eating like Brad Pitt in Oceans 11.”

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:00:55] He was always eating chestnuts. Didn’t you feel like he was always like, didn’t he always have a knife? What was he carving?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:01:02] Yeah, carving up an apple.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:01:03] Oh, also–.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:01:04] What’s up with his watch?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:01:05] You know what we didn’t talk about when she comes in and he’s got his shirt off, but also his pants are down. Like a little bit down.

 

Paul Scheer [01:01:11] Yeah, cause his suspenders are off.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:01:13] But that was fucking weird and the he’s like get out of my room.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:01:16] What was interesting too is she is. That’s the moment where she gets super horny for him. But all you see is his bare back. He doesn’t turn around. You don’t see. It’s like, that’s as sexy as this can get.

 

Paul Scheer [01:01:28] I mean, I thought it was sexy when he gave her the fireman carry in the beginning when he just scooped her up and dropped her outside on the porch.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:01:33] Women love to be scooped up and put into a snowdrift.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:01:37] Or put into bed.

 

Paul Scheer [01:01:38] June wants me to write in that the back was sexy.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:01:41] I could have used more chest hair.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:01:44] From Kate? From who? From the innkeeper? From the cop?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:01:49] He needed a chemical peel on his face, though right?.

 

Paul Scheer [01:01:52] Oh, boy. Well, that’s, you know what, we’ve talked about second opinions. Let’s go to third opinions now. Very rarely do we do this, but this one made me laugh. This is from Andre. It’s a one star review. And he writes, “Horrible and scary. Not at all. Christmas-like.”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:02:07] Oh, my God.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:02:08] You know what? I don’t disagree that some of this movie was scary.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:02:13] No, you’re wrong. I wish this movie was able to scare me. I wish this movie had, like, a different gear to get to.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:02:26] What was the one where Nicole Kidman– (whipsering) “This is our house.”.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:02:29] The Others.

 

Paul Scheer [01:02:30] Oh, that was great. June just wrote “I Had a few Scares.” And then she wrote– well, our five year old son, she goes, “He was scared.” Really? Why were you watching this with our five year old?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:02:42] That’s not correct. That isn’t correct.

 

Paul Scheer [01:02:44] All right.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:02:46] He’s going to learn a lesson about falling in love with ghosts.

 

Paul Scheer [01:02:50] Let’s go around.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:02:51] That you can make it work. That’s what’s fucked up.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:02:53] And by the way, that’s basically what Kate– this is crazy, actually, we didn’t talk about this at the end of the movie in the eighth act, Kate says, You know what? I’ll take it. I’ll make this– You can be my boyfriend 12 days a year. And guess what? I’m working so hard the other days of the year. This is all I can take.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:03:15] It’s kind of what Ina Garten has with her, with Geoffrey.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:03:19] The Barefoot Contessa?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:03:20] Cause he only comes in for the weekends. He teaches at Yale, the other four or five days.

 

Paul Scheer [01:03:23] Really?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:03:23] Great. So they just come in for those weekends?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:03:25] Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:03:26] Plow town. And then he’s out of there.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:03:28] But you know what? That’s a lot of plowing 12 days straight. I could get it if it was, like, one day.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:03:32] Like 12 days if your’re not getting plowed the rest of the year?

 

Paul Scheer [01:03:36] She said, June said they have it perfect, a perfect marriage.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:03:39] I know. I don’t disagree.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:03:40] I love it. Here’s what I love. I would love if the in the last scene, Daniel comes up to her and he’s now, he’s chosen. He’s going to stay here forever. And she’s like, “You’re smothering me. This is too much. We have to break up.” She stone cold, dumps him.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:03:55] And he’s stuck there.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:03:56] He stuck there. No Social Security number. He’s a man out of time. He’s from the past. He doesn’t know how to do anything.

 

Paul Scheer [01:04:03] It’s a spinoff movie, come on.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:04:04] Or he tries to go back to the other world and is like, “Uh, Lily.”

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:04:09] [Indiscernible] You know what? I’m kind of into Cousin Harry.

 

Paul Scheer [01:04:15] Oh, man.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:04:16] He’s like the bad boy of the story. He’s a murderer.

 

Paul Scheer [01:04:19] So, Jess, would you recommend this film?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:04:21] Absolutely not.

 

Paul Scheer [01:04:22] Okay.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:04:22] And again, I, out of everyone here, was willing to give it so many different chances. I watched the other inn movie that was on Netflix.

 

Paul Scheer [01:04:31] Yeah. Oh, you watch both of them?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:04:32] I watched the movie that just came out, and I gave it a lot of chances.

 

Paul Scheer [01:04:37] I’m very excited about that Netflix sitcom that is just a holiday based live-action multi-cam.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:04:44] Wait, what is that?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:04:45] Always Christmas?

 

Paul Scheer [01:04:46] It’s always Christmas. It’s a multi-cam show with Dennis Quaid called like.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:04:52] A Very Merry

 

Paul Scheer [01:04:52] Whatever. Yeah, that’s like literally a big whatever.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:04:55] But is it always Christmas?

 

Paul Scheer [01:04:57] I think the ten episodes all take place over Christmas.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:05:00] And then what will season two be?

 

Paul Scheer [01:05:02] All over Christmas.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:05:03] Next Christmas?

 

Paul Scheer [01:05:03] Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:05:04] Wow, that seems flawed.

 

Paul Scheer [01:05:07] Yeah. All right. And then June is going to unmute herself. June, do you recommend this movie?

 

June Diane Raphael [01:05:13] (whispering) I loved it.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:05:14] I loved it?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:05:15] Honestly, that was the scariest moment of the entire podcast.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:05:19] Like this really is like there’s a ghost.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:05:21] Did you really love it, June?

 

June Diane Raphael [01:05:23] (whispering) Yes.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:05:24] No, really?

 

June Diane Raphael [01:05:28] [indiscernable]. (whispering) I really enjoyed it. I really.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:05:32] I don’t know what to do with that. We’re so similar usually. I don’t know what to do with this information.

 

Paul Scheer [01:05:37] I mean, Jason, I feel like I know where you’re at.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:05:40] No, this was bad, this was boring bad. Like I enjoyed Mario Lopez, Melissa Joan Hart Holiday whatever that was just so much more. It had more going on.

 

Paul Scheer [01:05:52] Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:05:52] This was a movie that had so many characters that were doing– that gave so little to the movie.

 

Paul Scheer [01:05:58] June said that movie didn’t hold a candle to this.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:00] Woah!

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:06:00] I would argue that the Mario Lopez scene where he’s shirtless.

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:04] Oh, yeah.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:06:05] In that very tiny bathroom that they were shitting in was hotter than any moment of this entire film.

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:12] I agree. And also, no chest hair on Mario Lopez.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:06:15] And you know what? That didn’t bother me.

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:17] She goes, “I prefer Daniel to Lopez,” According to June.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:20] Wow. This is blowing my mind.

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:22] I found their chemistry to be better.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:24] Same.

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:24] And I found their romance to be more understandable.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:27] I agree.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:06:27] Agreed.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:28] Hard agree.

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:29] All right. Well, we’ll see you guys all next Christmas as we find another romance. Jessica, what do you got going on? What do you want to talk about?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:06:36] Well, this is weird, but I’m on, not one, but two shows that take place in space.

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:41] Woah.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:06:44] One of them I’m on earth. And the other one, I’m in space.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:47] Wow.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:06:47] The first one comes out really soon. It’s called Avenue 5, and it’s going to be on HBO.

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:53] Oh, wow.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:06:53] I am in space for that one.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:56] Like Sandra Bullock and Gravity?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:06:57] Very similar.

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:58] This is by the creator of Veep.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:07:01] Armando Iannucci.

 

Paul Scheer [01:07:02] Now do you pronounce it Armando? Armando? Because I always hear–.

 

Paul Scheer [01:07:05] Armando.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:07:06] Armando. Now I know for sure, because I always think it’s Armando. Then people say, Armando. And I’m like, I don’t know.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:07:11] In this instance, Armando.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:07:13] Potato. Potato.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:07:14] We all know an Armando. Armando Diaz.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:07:16] Yes, that’s right. It’s really funny. Hugh Laurie and Josh Gad, all these like amazing people in this show. Zach Woods. So I’m trapped in space. So look out for that in January. And I’m in a movie called Like a Boss that’s coming out too.

 

Paul Scheer [01:07:31] Oh, yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:07:33] Oh, yeah.

 

Paul Scheer [01:07:34] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:07:37] And then yeah. And then later in the spring, I’ll be in another space show called Space Force.

 

Paul Scheer [01:07:42] Oh, wow. That’s the Greg Daniels movie.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:07:44] Yes.

 

Paul Scheer [01:07:44] Oh, the Greg Daniels TV show.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:07:46] That’s right. But I’m on earth in that one.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:07:47] Funny. Now you’ve really carved out some space for yourself in space.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:07:51] Very surprising, isn’t it?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:07:53] It really is.

 

Paul Scheer [01:07:54] Really.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:07:55] Would you say that you mostly work in sci-fi now?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:07:58] Yeah. I think so.

 

Paul Scheer [01:07:58] You are a sci-fi star.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:08:00] Could I ask a question to you two gentlemen?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:08:02] I’m promoting. I’ve just been cast in an Anne of Green Gables remake. I’m doing that. And a Little House on the Prairie remake. I’m doing all olden times, olden days shows.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:08:14] Here’s the thing, though. I want to say.

 

Paul Scheer [01:08:15] No one wants it.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:08:17] As much as I love– shut up, Paul. As much as I love the olden days, I would be terrible in an olden days movie, I would be as bad as that woman playing Lily who sounded like she was a millenial. She was just like, “Oh my God. Like, I don’t want you to go away. Come back for Christmas.”

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:08:32] You just sound like yourself now.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:08:33] I know. I feel like I wouldn’t be able to pull it off. So would this movie have been better if they had British accents?

 

Paul Scheer [01:08:39] June says you would be a perfect Josie Pie.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:08:42] I appreciate that. I appreciate that. We never saw her as old as I am. Which is–

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:08:49] Well, let’s be honest. Like in in olden days, you would be dead by now. Your life expectancy would be– yeah, you would have been taken by cholera.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:08:58] Deadsville. But, yeah, listen, I don’t judge these actors because I think I would have been just as bad, quite honestly.

 

Paul Scheer [01:09:06] Jason, what about you? What do you got going on?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:09:08] You know, I’m going to promote, as we talked about earlier, the holiday season of Nailed It, which we are both guests on, me as a judge. You as a contestant. It is some of the funniest stuff. Nicole, friend of the pod, Nicole Byer is the host. Jacques Torres.

 

Paul Scheer [01:09:22] So good.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:09:22] It’s a great show if you haven’t watched it. It’s a great show to watch with your whole family.

 

Paul Scheer [01:09:26] Especially over the holidays.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:09:28] Yeah.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:09:28] Jacques Torres bring some of his chocolates to set?

 

Paul Scheer [01:09:31] Yes.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:09:32] There’s chocolates around.

 

Paul Scheer [01:09:33] He passes them to you.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:09:34] Really?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:09:34] Yeah.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:09:35] Like he passes you a secret chocolate?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:09:37] No, no, not a secret.

 

Paul Scheer [01:09:39] Not a secret. He brings around a tray of chocolates.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:09:42] You have access to chocolate.

 

Paul Scheer [01:09:43] You probably have a different experience. I chose not to be treated any differently than a contestant.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:09:49] Wow, how big of you.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:09:51] And I chose to be treated like a God damn king.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:09:53] You were like the beginning of Coming to America.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:09:56] I was like, Wes, don’t even talk. Don’t even look at me.

 

Paul Scheer [01:10:00] I don’t know what those judges were doing. They disappear for long stretches at a time.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:10:04] I’m not allowed to even tell you.

 

Paul Scheer [01:10:05] Oh, you see, they have a backroom that I didn’t see.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:10:09] So it is in true real time. Like you guys have that long. They shoot how many in a day?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:10:15] One.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:10:16] Wow.

 

Paul Scheer [01:10:17] But, you know, there’s a lot of, like, little pieces. But once the cook starts, it is full cook. And then you have, like, a big break between the cooks and then you, you know, it is technically a game show. So there are like very staunch legal things that need to happen after the game is explained because it’s like that quiz show law, like you need to you need to go.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:10:39] They can’t fake who wins?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:10:41] No. They can’t fake who wins. They can’t cheat time. They have to adhere to all the rules that like Jeopardy or any of those games.

 

Paul Scheer [01:10:50] Do you understand the game? Do you understand what’s going on? We’re going to restate the rules because in case Nicole or Jacques says something that isn’t letter perfect, even though the show is goofy and fun.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:11:03] You could sue somebody?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:11:04] Yes.

 

Paul Scheer [01:11:05] Yes. So after they do their thing, then you are brought to another room where they read you all the rules of that particular challenge. And you can sign a document.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:11:17] That is more interesting than the entire movie we were forced to watch.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:11:22] I’ll promote Nailed It. Which I think is so fun. So good. Such a great show.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:11:25] And you just came home from jolly old England.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:11:27] I just was in England for a couple of months shooting a movie that will, in theory, come out next year.

 

Paul Scheer [01:11:32] Amazing.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:11:33] I don’t know, you know, gather with the family around the hearth and watch John Wick, Chapter 3 Parabellum.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:11:39] That sounds like a terrible– I will never in my entire life–

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:11:44] You won’t support me?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:11:46] Watch the trailer of that movie.

 

Paul Scheer [01:11:46] Oh my God. [indiscernible] I will also plug a joint mantzoukas project which is The Good Place which will be coming back after the new year to finish their final episodes. It’s been a great season and I think you’ve already seen Jason and you’ve already seen me, but you may see us again as this thing wraps up and heads to its final completion. Maybe, maybe not. And if you are looking for something to listen to and you are maybe frustrated or excited by the rise of Skywalker, I will say this week on Unspooled, we were talking about Star Wars and we actually had the original editor of Star Wars on Unspooled this week, and it was fascinating to chat with him and if you missed it, a week ago we had Rian Johnson on the show and Rian Johnson gave his picks for movies that should be included on the AFI list and they’re great.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:12:35] Oh, I love that. I’ll give a shout out just for the sake of shouting out Star Wars related. Mallory Rubin and Jason Concepcion are doing Star Wars for this season of Binge Mode. And it’s fucking awesome. It is so good.

 

Paul Scheer [01:12:50] And I’ll also just give a shout out and I’m just really into this movie. But I love Uncut Gems, so go see that. It’s a great, great movie.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:12:59] Oh, and I finally in London, got to see Mannequin Pussy Live. They played drunk, too. It was fantastic. Great work. That band is rad. Still, guys, my song of the summer still works in the winter.

 

Paul Scheer [01:13:11] eI love it. And Jun wanted to make sure that everyone knows a perfect stocking stuffer or gift for this holiday season. Maybe it’s a New Year’s gift as you start your resolutions is her book that she co-wrote with Kate Black called Represent: A Woman’s Guide to Running for Office and Changing the World. It’s a workbook, a practical workbook that can show you just how easy it is to run for office. And this is not June saying it, but is me saying it. You don’t have to run for the biggest offices. There are many community. Yes.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:13:39] You can have a job. Like a day job.  And then also do this.

 

Paul Scheer [01:13:44] You don’t need to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars. It is the local level is where change is happening. Absolutely. All right.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:13:54] I’m also just going to plug the Big Thief record Two Hands just because it’s my favorite record of the year.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:14:01] What’s the tick tock man?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:14:03] That’s John Wick three.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:14:04] I know, but why are you called that?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:14:05] Oh, I can’t tell you. I’m not allowed to tell you. You got to see the movie.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:14:09] Just tick tock man makes me feel sick.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:14:11] Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock, Sinclair.

 

Paul Scheer [01:14:14] Tick tock, tick, tock, tick.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:14:16] Do you kill anybody in it?

 

Paul Scheer [01:14:17] Oh, wow. You should tick tock. Yeah, you should. Yeah.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:14:20] Do you kill somebody?

 

Paul Scheer [01:14:21] Oh, wouldn’t you wanna know?

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:14:23] No, no. I don’t care.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:14:25] I’m a ghost. I’m a sexy ghost, tucking you into bed at night.

 

Paul Scheer [01:14:29] All right. That was a lot of plugs. A big shout out to our producer.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:14:33] End of the year plugs!

 

Paul Scheer [01:14:34] End of the year plugs. Big shout out.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:14:36] Happy New Year, everybody.

 

Paul Scheer [01:14:37] Happy New Year. Big shout out to our producer, April Haley pulls all these movies and all these amazing clips. Our all the time producer Codi who is just killing it all time Codi Fischer and our our engineer Devon who is the heart and soul behind the board all the time, whether we’re on the road or, you know, in the studio. And I have a very big announcement from June. She is not going to be a criminal juror.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:03] And I would just like to add, here we are at the end of the year. I would like to say thank you to everybody who came out to all of the shows, all of this tour.

 

Paul Scheer [01:15:10] Yes.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:10] We toured a lot of this country this year.

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:15:12] You have some of the nicest fans in the world.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:14] The best fans in the world. Thank you for bringing your babies. Thank you for letting us hold them.

 

Paul Scheer [01:15:20] Yes. And by the way, we’re going to continue touring.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:22] I held so many babies. We’re going to Vancouver. We’re going to San Francisco.

 

[01:15:26] Yes. San Francisco on–

 

Jessica Sinclair [01:15:27] Maybe you guys shouldn’t have been such dicks about Canada. You’re going to get a lot of–.

 

Paul Scheer [01:15:30] No.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:32] Come at me, Vancouver. Come at me, Couv.

 

Paul Scheer [01:15:34] All tickets and information are available on the new HDTGM.com website. We got the actual website. You can find out all the information about that there. Thank you, everybody, so, so much. Bye bye.