EP. 326 — Switch LIVE! (w/ Jessica St. Clair)

Paul Scheer [00:00:01] A movie that proves the hardest thing about being a woman is walking in high heels. We saw Switch, so you know what that means.

 

Music [00:00:17] [Intro Song]

 

Paul Scheer [00:01:06] Hello people of Earth, and hello people of Boston! We are live at the Wilbur Theater in Boston for the first show of our Balcony Monsters tour. And let me hear you, Balcony Monsters! We’re talking about a movie tonight. The year is 1981, and Steve used to have a preference for blonds. Then Steve was murdered and came back as one. Will being a woman make him a better man? That’s the premise of this movie. Someone is murdered for simply being promiscuous and then is forced to come back as a woman to see if any women would like. I don’t know. It’s confusing when you actually stop and think about it. All you need to know is that Ellen Barkin is playing a man with a New York accent. We’ll get into all of that. But to break this movie down properly, I need my two co-hosts. Please welcome to the stage Mr. Jason Mantzoukas.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:02:38] What’s up, jerks!? What’s up, Boston? That’s what I’m talking about. These balconies are the best balconies in the biz, baby. Yeah. Fuck new York. Fuck New York. Fuck New York. Fuck New York. That’s what I’m talking about. I’m already exhausted. Already exhausted.

 

Paul Scheer [00:03:08] Jason.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:09] Paul.

 

Paul Scheer [00:03:10] This is a video box that I saw as a kid.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:15] Obsessed with this video box as a child in video stores. Looking at it like this is sex.

 

Paul Scheer [00:03:22] It was Ellen Barkin pants down, hanging from a gun barrel.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:27] Pants down or is she no pants?

 

Paul Scheer [00:03:29] Pants around her ankles. Yeah. And she’s in a clearly a man shirt and tie. I didn’t know what it was about, but it seemed very sexy.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:39] And it makes the gun seem so much more important to the story.

 

Paul Scheer [00:03:44] Yes.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:03:46] Like this was a crime story instead of what it is, which is a question mark. Unclear story.

 

Paul Scheer [00:03:54] I will say that I was shocked when I hit play on my Apple iTunes and it said a drama.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:04:05] No, really?

 

Paul Scheer [00:04:06] A drama. Well, like. Huh? I didn’t realize this is a drama.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:04:11] Paul. When you. Because we got Jimmy Smits here. When you pictured this movie. Yes. Not Jimmy Smits. But did you have in your mind anybody else for the male lead who is Riptide’s Perry King. Give it up for Riptide. Those are the old people here. Riptide, One of the greats, I swear. And it’s just because she was in another movie with him that this movie starred Dennis Quaid.

 

Paul Scheer [00:04:40] Oh, interesting.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:04:43] That’s the Big Easy with Ellen Barkin and Dennis Quaid.

 

Paul Scheer [00:04:45] Another hit.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:04:46] So sexy.

 

Paul Scheer [00:04:47] Very sexy. This movie decidedly not too sexy.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:04:51] I disagree.

 

Paul Scheer [00:04:54] We’ll get into it. And we have to get into it with our next co-host. Please welcome to the stage, Miss June Diane Raphael. Oh. Hello, June. How are you?

 

June Diane Raphael [00:05:30] I’m okay. How are you, Paul?

 

Paul Scheer [00:05:33] I’m doing well. Thank you so much for asking. June, you were watching Switch about 30 minutes behind me. We were both on an airplane.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:05:44] And again, we are on some sort of federal list, some FAA watch list. And we should be.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:05:52] Yeah, well, so am I. But it has nothing to do with what I’m watching on the plane.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:05:57] Again. And I know we’ve said this before, but it is, you know, we fly economy and, you know, sometimes main cabin plus sometimes not. And I, I can only imagine what it’s like to sit behind us and two people watching the movie Switch. Not at the same time. Not on the same computer, on different computers. And one of the and both furiously taking notes and underlining, circling.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:06:30] Imagine the stories the people right around you are telling. Get this. Do you remember the movie Switch?

 

June Diane Raphael [00:06:38] I saw not one, two.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:06:40] And they were taking notes on it like they were writing an article. And they had kids. The children. Watching the movie Switch with their kids.

 

Paul Scheer [00:06:51] And here’s the only part of that that won’t make sense. No one knows what Switch is. So when you open it and the first scene is a bunch of women seemingly naked in a hot tub, it seems way more creepy. Like there is no Ellen Barkin, There’s no Jimmy Smits. At that point, you’re just seeing a Jo Beth Williams and a bunch of people that you may or may not recognize. And it seems weird that I’m watching a hot tub movie.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:07:16] And then not 10 minutes later, I start. I started up to watch the same scene. It’s just very odd.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:07:24] As if you saw Paul watching it and think that’s a great idea.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:07:30] Let me get into this.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:07:30] And I also will take notes.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:07:33] We’ve got a cross-country flight. That’s a perfect idea.

 

Paul Scheer [00:07:36] Well, June, there is one person who flew across the country to watch Switch with us. How Did This Get Made all star in her own right, co-host of the podcast Deep Dive, please welcome Jessica St. Clair.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:07:57] Yes. Hello. Hello.

 

Paul Scheer [00:08:07] Jess, welcome to the show. I want to ask you your connection to Switch. Did you also remember this video box from the video store?

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:08:18] I didn’t jerk off to this video box, no.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:08:22] Your loss.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:08:23] But I’m going to tell you when I saw this, this just the still of it, I thought, Oh, thank God. No trashcan fires, no aliens. No Mario Lopez. I said, I’m looking forward to a rom com. And that’s when I invited my parents to this show, my elderly parents.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:08:49] And I’m sure they love being referred to that way.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:08:54] They’re going to get scarce in a second but I, once I saw the hot tub scene, I then quickly called my father and said, You’re no longer invited, because I knew that it would be an hour and a half of Jason saying Penis Dig Dig because.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:12] You’re the only one saying it!

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:09:15] You could go fuck my face remember with those girls.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:18] Madam, that is that you are projecting. The only person your father has heard saying those words now are you and your daughter.

 

Paul Scheer [00:09:28] I will say I have done this show. I have done this show with Jason for 12 years. I have never heard him use the term fuck my face.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:09:37] Not yet.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:09:38] Nor do I think I would.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:09:40] Not yet.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:09:44] Now, the opening scene, which again, I watched on a plane with strangers. I loved.

 

Paul Scheer [00:09:53] The hot tub scene?

 

June Diane Raphael [00:09:54] Hot tub scene was amazing.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:09:57] I want to say is why the way that these women dress in this film is what you dream of for both you and me to wear every single day?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:10:09] Here’s what I’m going to say. Here’s what I’m going to say. Every woman in this movie looks dynamite.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:10:17] Thank you.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:10:18] Guess we should be wearing those clothes.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:10:19] T to B from the top to the bottom, from the hairstyles to the outfit.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:10:25] To the chandelier earrings. To the chandeliers.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:10:29] Absolutely.

 

Paul Scheer [00:10:30] Jo Beth Williams wearing one of those indoor hats. I do want to call attention to one part of the hot tub scene. We’ll break down the whole movie. But the hot tub scene has the best ADR of trying to be sexy. So I wanted just to play the hot tub scene and just listen to all the ADR. That’s the additional voice recording that clearly after the movie, like, Oh, we need to sex this up and you will see how they did it.

 

Movie Audio [00:11:02] Hey Margo, looking good. Sexy. Unbelievable. Slick, you are something else. Come on, Margo, it’s my turn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I’m sitting here with three beautiful women who said they hated me. And yet we still hate you. We decided you should be punished for the way you treat women. Oh, yeah. Men like you just have to be stopped. You got to stop me. We’re going to kill you.

 

Paul Scheer [00:11:54] And that is the opening scene, which looks to me like they’re in a pot, like a cauldron. It is. So much steam is coming off of that hot tub. It is that they are. They’re burning themselves alive.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:12:09] I mean, it’s a little hocus pocus.

 

Paul Scheer [00:12:11] That’s what I thought. Are these women witches? Because there are a bunch of them. Yes. Okay.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:12:18] Anytime we see three women together. We must think they’re witches. Or whores.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:12:24] Jessica.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:12:25] Patriarchy!

 

June Diane Raphael [00:12:27] Jessica. If there were one more woman on the stage, we would be witches. We just would be. But it’s so interesting, Paul, because when Paul and I right before we were about to leave, we were talking about the movie a little bit because I put it back on because I wanted to see the beginning again. And Paul said, Oh, I just honestly, I just wish they were witches. And I was like, What? You think? I just wish they were witches?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:53]  I agree 100%.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:12:57] You wish they were witches?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:12:58] The movie’s predicated on a bit of magical realism. And wouldn’t it be better if they weren’t murderers who murder a man for being a womanizer? Wouldn’t it be better if they taught him a lesson by putting a Switcheroo on?

 

Paul Scheer [00:13:18] I thought it was an interesting concept because it would be like they need to have some magic here and that would be a fun twist. And I’d also argue that the one thing that’s not acknowledged at all is his ex-girlfriends like, Hey, come over to my house tonight. We’re going to have a party. And then he sees two of his other girlfriends and he’s, A: fine with that and kisses all of them. So were they a throuple? And if that they were big,

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:13:45] It would be a quadruple.

 

Paul Scheer [00:13:47] There you go. Right. So I. I was confused even about, like, what the plan was. Were they always hanging out?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:13:53] Their plan worked. They murdered him.

 

Paul Scheer [00:13:56] Yes, but yeah, but when.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:13:59]  They murdered him and then God? This movie has. This is a faith based movie? I think this is a prequel to the child trafficking movie that’s going so bananas right now. This is clear. So then he’s in in limbo or purgatory, and he’s given a chance to go back and like God speaks to him and the devil visits him later when he’s when he’s Ellen Barkin. This is some nuts level stuff that would be much better if they were just witches.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:14:31] But here’s the thing. So I hate to jump to so much later in the movie, but when we find out that Jimmy Smits is a rapist.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:14:42] Ooof.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:14:44] It’s certainly a tough pill to swallow. And it’s. And, boy, do they try to make their way around it. But at the end of the day, he’s a rapist. Okay.

 

Paul Scheer [00:14:57] But.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:14:57] Excuse me. That gets a period. That gets a period on the end of that statement.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:15:07] Period. Which, by the way, she was about to get, which is why she got knocked up.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:15:11] I do wish she had gotten her period, but I. But that’s why I by the time the movie ends, I’m like, oh, they absolutely should have murdered this guy. Because if Jimmy Smits is a rapist, he was probably the nicest man we see in the movie. And we know that our barometer for masculinity and for what’s acceptable is Jimmy Smits, who is a rapist.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:39] This is a movie about murderers and rapists. Yes, that’s the all of the protagonists are either guilty of murder or rape.

 

Paul Scheer [00:15:47] Because this ss a movie that flirts with two best friends fucking and they couldn’t pull the trigger. It would have been so much better if they just fucked because they want to.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:15:56]  I have a question. Did anybody else think that somehow and this is not in the movie, to be clear, this is not in it. But I initially, when I was watching, I was like, oh, because remember when the devil comes to Ellen Barkin and says we should have a baby like Rosemary’s Baby, blah, blah, blah. I thought the Jimmy Smits pregnancy thing was cover for the devil, giving her a Rosemary’s Baby. Did anybody else think that?

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:16:28] I mean, she like, when she collapsed on the pillows saying, like, I have my period. You thought then that devil with the mid-Atlantic accent fucked her from behind?

 

Paul Scheer [00:16:38] I don’t think it’s a mid-Atlantic accent. I would say it’s a straight up British accent.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:16:42] No, it goes in and out. Comes and goes.

 

Paul Scheer [00:16:46] Can we can we play the clip? The devil’s plan? Tell me if this is mid-Atlantic or Britain. This is the devil’s.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:16:52] Straight up a Baltimore accent.

 

Movie Audio [00:16:57] Excuse me. Yes. I wish to lodge a complaint. What is it this time? I have as much right. To Steve Brooks’s soul as you do. That’s why I sent him.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:17:10] He sounds like Matthew McConaughey.

 

Movie Audio [00:17:11] If he can handle one thing.

 

Paul Scheer [00:17:12] That’s a British man.

 

Movie Audio [00:17:15] Now, that’s not a fair test. He’ll pick some helpless, unsuspecting female, pretend to be everything he’s not. In the end, she’ll adore him.

 

Paul Scheer [00:17:28] Mid-Atlantic by applause. Yeah. British.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:36] I’m comfortable with neither.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:17:38] He is in and out.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:41] I don’t know what this guy is up to, but once again, this movie, the two like the Voice of God or the Angel or whatever.

 

Paul Scheer [00:17:48] The man and woman, voice of God, they’re two voices.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:51] Okay. So these that those voices and then the physical representation of the devil should have so much more impact on the events of this movie. Yes. You know, because they’re the ones setting it in motion, like the rich guys in trading places, but they don’t even reveal the plan. Like at least in a movie like Brewster’s Million, you have a five days to spend $1,000,000. Like, I don’t think that anyone ever tells Ellen Barkin the plan.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:18:18] No.

 

Paul Scheer [00:18:19] No one ever says, Oh, you are back on this earth to find someone who loves you. She kind of pieces it together.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:18:26] No, she does get told. I think somebody says to her.

 

Paul Scheer [00:18:29] Mid movie like an hour in. Like she is living as a woman.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:18:34] You’re right that this movie is rudderless. It is. It has no, it’s unmoored. It is like you can’t because her plan because a number of times watching the movie, I was like, what is she trying to do again? And it seems that to find a woman who will love her, which of course ends up being her own daughter.

 

Paul Scheer [00:18:59] For a split second.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:19:00] For a split second.

 

Paul Scheer [00:19:01] Literally a fetus is produced. Just like you couldn’t get any more fresh baby. And like, got it. Ding! Like, that’s unfair. That’s an unfair love. And that’s that’s a failure. Like, if he genuinely loved the baby, that would be a win, I guess. But that’s, like, instantaneous. That that’s not a win. I don’t think that that’s a win.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:19:25] I teared up.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:19:26] I obviously I did, too. I cried hysterically.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:19:30] I hate myself.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:19:31] Yeah, I cried hysterically.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:19:33] I’m a woman. I hate myself.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:19:36] But at the same time I was like, oh, because that her pursuing her objective in the movie, Ellen Barkin, which is to find a woman who genuinely likes her or loves her, the only way she does that is to call up people in the past, which is so odd because she’s she already knows Steve already knows that they hate that. They all hate her. So it’s a tough sell.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:00] It’s a shortcut like Steve. Steve, to track Steve’s progression, you would think he’s a straight up fucking moron. And the movie I think the movie works as well as it does simply on the shoulders of Ellen Barkin doing, I think, phenomenal work.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:20:18] Oh, amazing.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:20] Were it not for this incredible physical performance, this broad, funny performance, this movie would be a hate crime.

 

Paul Scheer [00:20:29] I will say, though, they go to the well of the heels, too much.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:37] Disagree. I thought it was funny.

 

Paul Scheer [00:20:39] Oh, my God.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:20:39] Jason.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:40] I love it. I love it. I love it.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:20:43] I felt seasick. It was as rudderless as her balance that the film.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:49] I wrote. She’s doing so much. Period. I love it.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:20:55] Listen, she’s so charming in those bangs. They’re going to get you far. You know they’re going to get you real far. But I was like, there. How? The fact that we are presented with a movie that is telling us the learning curve of walking in heels is 50 days like you must spend three months? Why not get flats?

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:21:19] Looks like a pump, feels like the sneaker. It’s available in 1991.

 

Paul Scheer [00:21:25] Movie that is trying to show. What would it be like if a man became a woman? The only gag they have is like, must be hard to walk in high heels. Like they don’t deal with peeing. They don’t deal with a period. They don’t deal with. They don’t.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:21:40] Now they did deal with running with a bra. And I did laugh, you know, I thought that was great.

 

Paul Scheer [00:21:44] Now, let me ask you this, because I agree with you, Jason, like Ellen Barkin, is very good in this. But I remember a story like when Tom Hanks did Big. He’s like, oh, I hung out with this kid and I took all of his mannerisms and I really was able to figure out what, you know, this kid is so I could be the bigger Josh Baskin. It feels to me like Ellen Barkin never met Steve or watched any dailies of Steve because Ellen Barkin is like, Hey, I’m a New Yorker.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:22:11] He’s doing like an Al Pacino. Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:15] It’s as if she is like, was turned into that from a taxi cab driver.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:22:21] Here’s what’s so weird about the movie, this is where the movie gets crazy. So I think we’re in for a Switch, you know, title. Classic Switch.

 

Paul Scheer [00:22:32] Yeah, but that’s not even a Switch.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:22:34] Well, yeah, but it’s also the fact that this movie dives into homosexuality and her not being able in a woman’s body to be attracted to another woman, even though she is attracted to that woman. But there is a block of some sort but doesn’t want to have sex with a man.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:55] I think that block is homophobia.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:22:55] Yeah. Okay is it though?

 

Paul Scheer [00:22:59] He’s a man, he’s a man in a woman’s body, right? You would think, oh, my gosh, this would be a great thing for me to explore, because I never got to do that.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:23:08] Right. When? When?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:23:11] No, but he is. No, but

 

Paul Scheer [00:23:13] That’s what’s weird about him not wanting to fuck his friend.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:23:18] Steve as a man is homophobic.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:23:18] The movie can’t go there because Steve is is a homophobe regardless of his gender.

 

Paul Scheer [00:23:27] So it’s like he can’t. All right. So he can’t even be attracted to a beautiful woman who wants to fuck him because he knows that mentally she only wants to fuck a woman?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:23:39] Here’s the thing. The minute the minute I realize I’ve got tits and a vagina, I am jerking off hard. How does it all work? Any opportunity I get, I’m going nutso mugutso.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:23:53] On yourself?

 

Paul Scheer [00:23:55] On myself and then figuring it out with everybody else absolutely.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:24:00] And figuring it out. Okay.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:24:02] I’m going to be like, Fuck my face. Damn it.

 

Paul Scheer [00:24:05] Oh.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:24:08] I knew it was coming.

 

Paul Scheer [00:24:10] I will say this. I will say that this movie is rudderless and unmoored for the first 43 minutes or longer. But there’s a part of it where I’m like, Is the premise of this movie that the only good woman is a man?

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:24:26] Hold on. The only good woman is a man.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:24:29] Yeah, I don’t think so. Because the movie goes out of its way to make sure, you know, every single man in the movie is full stop unredeemable. Every man is a piece of shit.

 

Paul Scheer [00:24:44] But she never experiences any hardship as a woman. Because whenever a man is a piece of shit, she’s like, Fuck you.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:24:54] She punches him in the face.

 

Paul Scheer [00:24:54] I’m just like this whole turn. I think the idea that it should be like, Oh my gosh, my good ideas aren’t being taken. My this isn’t happening. She she would. Yes, it happens for a second. She says, Oh, that was my idea. And then the guy and then she says, the boss like, Fuck you. That was my idea of a piece of shit. Like, she never shows low status.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:25:14] Well, you’re right, Paul, Because what? What we want. What I wanted was to see her realize what it is to be a woman and to see her kind of understand what he she he has been doing to women and and learn that. And it doesn’t really happen because her response is just like, is so masculine. And she’s just like, oh, I’ll just, you know, punch this person. That we never get that satisfy understanding. Now the thing that’s a bummer about this movie is also you you leave it feeling like, oh, wow. I guess the only way that men can realize, like women are humans is to be in their body. But but actually they can’t even then.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:26:07] Because at Dukes, the hang out where everyone knows your name, but if you come in with a short haircut, they will be very upset. Okay. Just the haircut. I had that haircut senior year of college. Okay. I do think.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:25] You did not have that haircut.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:26:26] I did.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:26:26] She had something close to it.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:34] I assure you she did not have that haircut. Your haircut was arguably worse.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:26:38] But she says in the only moment of self-reflection, she says, you know what? Being a woman isn’t half bad. And that is like the only insight we get that it’s not half bad.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:55] But I feel like these kind of Switcheroo movies and it’s usually people getting put into each other’s bodies and having to walk a mile in their shoes, blah, blah, blah. This is not that because it’s just a gender Switch, but it’s there is exactly to your point, there is no incremental learning. The only learning that gets done is by the third act. He can walk in the high heels. That is barely.

 

Paul Scheer [00:27:20] They missed a golden opportunity when she is identifying his body that she doesn’t trip into the body, the dead body, when they pull the cadaver out. I’m like, that would have been a funny moment. But I will say that it seems like she really learns the most about being a woman when a stronger woman tries to have sex with her, then he’s like, well, now I know. And then all of a sudden he’s quoting like, date rape facts. Like, when did you learn that? Didn’t seem like you were learning any of this.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:27:50] Exactly right. It’s only in the very end that Steve seems to have any any understanding of what’s happening and and a point of view from a woman’s point of view that has we have not seen get learned at all. We’ve only seen him be predatory and difficult, but in a woman’s body.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:28:11] I think the only thing he realizes is that a snaps beneath body suit is tough stuff.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:28:17] It is.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:18] On the record. They should be illegal.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:28:22] I’m in one right now .

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:28:23] June loves it.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:28:24] This a bodysuit, You know, I’m in one right now.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:28:28] She said, that is the least sexy moment when Lorraine Bracco just says unsnap it. Made me feel sick.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:37] I don’t know. I liked it.

 

Paul Scheer [00:28:39] I will, I, I will say.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:41] I didn’t mind. I liked that scene.

 

Paul Scheer [00:28:43] I will say that there is a flaw in God’s plan, which is you’ll hear, I’ll tell you.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:51] How dare you criticize God in Boston?

 

Paul Scheer [00:28:55] The flaw in God’s plan is simply this: Steve is shot three times. He is in the river, dead. Where’s Ellen Barkin from? The Steve is brushing his teeth and then becomes Ellen Barkin. So that this body, just appeared, like there’s no Switch, that body is still dead. It wasn’t like they changed the body. Like, where was Ellen Barkin before this? Ellen Barkin. This would be better if they were witches.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:29:26] I’m totally seeing that.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:27] Because I’ll be honest. God is fucking this up.

 

Paul Scheer [00:29:31] God is making a mistake to keep that man in the river. And it should have also been the devil who fished him out. But again, I won’t get into all that.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:29:38] Could we also just talk? I’m sorry. We’re all over the place, Paul. You’d need to get better control over this podcast.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:45] I think we’re doing great.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:29:47] I do want to go back.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:50] We haven’t even gotten to Jim Jay Bullock and the parrot.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:29:53] Oh, shit. Oh. One of the most. The scariest. And I mean it. I was actually scared is when he comes back to life and is coming after them.

 

Paul Scheer [00:30:07] Oh, my God.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:07] Oh, yeah. Tied up. When they fail at their premeditated desire to drown him. And then Joe Beth Williams pulls the gun out and shoots him five times.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:30:18] Yeah, three. Three, three.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:22] Is it only three?

 

June Diane Raphael [00:30:23] It’s only three.

 

Paul Scheer [00:30:24] One bullet for each woman. One bullet for each woman. They all are guilty of murder here.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:30:32] He deserved it.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:30:35] No, I disagree.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:30:35] I never once thought he didn’t deserve it.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:39] Who deserves to be murdered?

 

June Diane Raphael [00:30:40] I think he deserves that. I do think 1,000% deserved it. And and the reason why.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:30:47] Don’t put us in a jury because he deserved it.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:30:50] I do think he deserved it. And the reason why I do is because of what the movie has told me about his best friend, who’s arguably like a better guy than him.

 

Paul Scheer [00:31:00] A man who doesn’t even call it fucking. He says, make love.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:31:03] But I don’t think Jimmy Smits deserves to be murdered.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:31:07] Okay.

 

Paul Scheer [00:31:09] The audience.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:31:12] He should be sent away. He should be sent away.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:31:14] Jimmy Smits has made it a crime in this movie.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:31:18] He’s raising her daughter.

 

Paul Scheer [00:31:24] Going back to that old that opening moment when Steve is being drowned at the beginning of the movie, that’s a violent scene. He’s under water for a long time. Yeah. And then you feel in the movie like, okay, that man is dead. The women get out of the hot tub, they’re putting on robes, they’re toweling off. One’s smoking. They’re nervous. They are. But time has passed. And then all of a sudden. How does he rise up? He is dead. I mean, if he held his breath. I mean.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:32:04] And hearing him slosh around for them, it was genuinely terrifying. Now, I will say, though, to that scene again, that hot tub scene, he’s about to he’s about to eat out one of those women. That’s a that’s what’s about to happen.

 

Paul Scheer [00:32:21] June our children are here.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:32:22] I’m sorry.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:32:23] They’re gone.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:32:24] Now he’s heading down, and then they fucking drown him. I was like, This is the best thing I’ve ever seen. Yeah.

 

Paul Scheer [00:32:32] Like, what a way to go. What a way to go.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:32:39] I wish in college that we had done that for a scene study. Do you know what I mean?

 

June Diane Raphael [00:32:45] The best scenes I’ve ever seen.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:32:48] You’re right.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:32:49] Unprecedented. It was. It’s. It’s very rare, to be truly surprised. Yeah, I was like. Wow. I wasn’t expecting that.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:32:58] The movie then should be about those three women and what happens to them. It shouldn’t be about him having to go through a supernatural nonsense. It should be about them. And the next time we see them doesn’t have to be in a limo eating a large tub of ice cream. I’m not talking about a pint.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:33:19] That is a paint can.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:20] Gallon tub of unmarked,commercial grade ice cream.

 

Paul Scheer [00:33:25] Industrial ice cream. They’re getting that is cafeteria style.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:32] They stop that Emack and Bolios. Boston reference. Pulled out of nowhere. Where did that come from?

 

June Diane Raphael [00:33:41] The ice cream scene. It was it was such a reminder of the references of the early like we were There’s so many movies where women are in a panic and and in crisis and turn to ice cream. And it is a trope of the early nineties, the late eighties. Meg Ryan. Big time.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:34:06] I’m heart broken freezer.

 

Paul Scheer [00:34:08] Bonbons. All these times that I understood women to be as a child.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:34:14] Yes. And I do that as well. So I think there is some truth to.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:34:20] Everybody eats ice cream when they’re sad, right?

 

June Diane Raphael [00:34:24] I don’t know. I don’t know if men do the way I do.

 

Paul Scheer [00:34:27] I’m lactose intolerant. I eat an Italian ice. And I feel great about it because it’s light.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:34:36] Because it’s such low calories.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:34:38] I will say one thing I’m really upset about, Paul, is that Paul is lactose intolerant. Everyone.

 

Paul Scheer [00:34:44] Where my lactose intolerants?! No milk.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:34:50] But our son, who you saw earlier, has taken on the identity of somebody who’s allergic to dairy. And I’m like, You’re not allergic to dairy.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:35:00] That’s stolen valor. Stolen Valor.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:35:03] It’s so crazy.

 

Paul Scheer [00:35:04] And he’s always asking me for a lactaid. Dad, lactaid.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:35:07] Always he’s like, I’d love to have that, but do you have a Lactaid? You mean like you’re fine? And it’s so strange. It’s so strange. And it feels like both Paul and I are also like, we don’t have the energy to withstand a day without a lactaid, so we’re constantly giving it to him.

 

Paul Scheer [00:35:28] Not going to hurt anything. I mean.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:35:30] You keep on saying that. I don’t know.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:35:32] I’ll let it. I’ll let him carry my EpiPen.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:35:35] He would love that.

 

Paul Scheer [00:35:38] By the way, another part of this movie that we probably won’t get to, but I feel like I want to just explore with you at one point.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:35:43] Are we wrapping up?

 

Paul Scheer [00:35:44] No, I’m just saying.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:35:45] We could share it with them.

 

Paul Scheer [00:35:48] Okay, I’ll share it with you. One of the things that I really am fascinated by, I was saying that we probably get to it because it’s not a natural thing to get to is Ellen Barkin works at an advertising agency and they are bad. Those ads on the wall are bad. Like when I look at it, a wine glass against like clip art and it’s like “wine” or there’s like a computer, like they’re in like the highest class ad agency. And every ad is this I could make it. I could make that at home with like, clip art. It was so shitty.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:36:23] Also, the boss I thought was Will Ferrell from the side. And I mean no disrespect.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:32] Tony Roberts, everybody.

 

Paul Scheer [00:36:34] Classic Woody Allen.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:36:35] A dome. That hair was so insane. He looked like.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:36:39] And honestly, you don’t see that here on white men these days. Where did it go?

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:36:45] With, like the skunk stripe. Where?

 

Paul Scheer [00:36:48] He’s getting a perm.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:53] This is I don’t know that it’s a perm, but it is definitely pre like mousse and hair styling gel. Men didn’t do stuff to their hair. I feel like in this era very much.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:37:03] Wow.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:37:03] I think it might be. I remember my dad in the eighties coming home and he was look so stricken and my mom’s like, what happened? He’s like, you know, Jerry, he got to perm and the guy walked in the office just like, Hey, fellas, and didn’t mention it, but he had just, like, a kinky, curly wave. That’s upsetting.

 

Paul Scheer [00:37:23] That is upsetting. I once met a gentleman.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:26] That’s upsetting? That reaches for you the level of upsetting if a guy gets a bad haircut.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:37:34] It’s not a haircut.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:37:36] Not a haircut. And if you’re going to get a perm you got to own up to it.

 

Paul Scheer [00:37:40] I went to school with a kid who got a perm. Yeah. And it’s weird. You got to call it out. I also went I also.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:45] I went to school. I went to Swampscott High School right here. I would say 80% of the people had perms.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:37:53] Men, too?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:54] Everybody had a perm.

 

Paul Scheer [00:37:56] I feel like this is a small blip. Like there was a moment of like perms, mullets. Like there were things like feathering. I remember I met a man who got a toupee just in the middle of the week and.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:38:13] Yeah, that’s work you’re going to want to do over the weekend.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:38:15] You’re gonna want to do a Columbus Day weekend and come back with it.

 

Paul Scheer [00:38:21] And then conversely, I also worked with somebody who lost a toupee in the middle of the week and then didn’t want to. No one ever wants to address. You got to address that. I know.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:35] If you wear it toupee, you’ve got to have a backup. You can’t live in a world where you don’t have a backup.

 

Paul Scheer [00:38:41] No, he was like, Now I’m done with this phase of my life.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:46] Oh, I see. I see.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:38:48] And you know what I have to say. Because I feel like women are in a time and living in an era, thank God, where we can put extensions in, weaves, all sorts of all manner of things like wear a wig, we could do all manner of thing. And it’s this day. It’s that day. Nobody’s fact checking us. Nobody’s worried about where that hair went. And, you know, and I wish that for men. I wish that they had that type of freedom.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:39:18] I agree. I wish I was less wig phobic for men. You know, that’s something that I didn’t need to Switch bodies to figure out.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:39:28] Well, do you? Yeah, here’s the thing. I swear to God, if we were in a situation where we then went and spent time with a man who was in a wig, both of you would be like, What the fuck was that? What the fuck was that? I respectfully, I disagree. And I suspect a man wearing a wig would feel to you the same as a man drinking tea.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:39:55] By the way. And I think you’re right. And I think that I am a part of the problem that I have. I have been breathing in the culture and I can no longer see it. I totally agree. I am a part of the problem.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:40:08] Agreed.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:40:09] But I want to dismantle that for myself. For my sons, you know, for everyone. Really, I, I, I wish that for all of you.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:40:20] That’s a beautiful speech, June.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:40:22] A world in which everybody, no matter their gender is just wearing a wig.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:40:26] Is just throwing on hair one day. Take it off the next. That’s right.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:40:30] God help us.

 

Paul Scheer [00:40:31] God bless. God bless. The first thing I’m going to ask is to Jason. I’ll come to you in a second. Would the first thing that you would do, Jason, if you became a woman? I know the first thing that you would do, but the second thing.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:40:45] Fuck your own face.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:40:46] I would be like, How does this work? Finally, I can figure it out.

 

Paul Scheer [00:40:52] Would the second thing you do be actively flirting with all of your friends? Because that’s what Steve aggressively does on day one is like, you’ve got a hard on. Flirting with Jimmy Schmits. It’s like he he is like, Is that funny to him? Because it also feels like that’s creepy.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:12] Oh, sorry. The question is, would you would if I was, would I mess with my friends by flirting with them?

 

Paul Scheer [00:41:19] Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:20] I don’t know that he’s doing that as a goof. I almost feel like people are giving him the attention because he’s now a beautiful woman that he is trying to he keeps trying to tell people who he is. Right?

 

Paul Scheer [00:41:31] But he also is kind I mean, would you agree.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:41:34] He doesn’t want Jimmy Smits to have a hard on for him. His best friend. He just keeps calling it out everywhere. Every person that Ellen Barkin passes has an immediate erection and that isn’t her fault.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:41:51] Or she’s calling them out for their shitty behavior towards women, i.e.. Hey, Tony Roberts, I know you have a secret apartment where you take the women or to the building super? How does? Like this movie exists in a world in which the men are constantly gifting the other men in their lives women? I got you that brunet you remember about Bah bah bah bah. And I’m like, This is the building super? What the fuck is going on?

 

June Diane Raphael [00:42:24] I don’t know. You tell me.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:42:25] In some ways, this movie is a post-apocalyptic movie.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:42:31] Go, go on.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:42:32] You know in that this is a dark web of men. And I don’t know, I was alive in 1991. I wasn’t, you know, in the advertising world. But if this is at all what things were like.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:42:45] Well, this is like but this is similar to like the the apartment the Billy Wilder movie, The Apartment where all the executives have an apartment they go. They want to go to to use for for sex, you know, away from their wives. You know, this is and this is I feel like part and parcel of the same old boys nonsense that the movie should be attempting to dismantle but does not.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:43:08] And instead. Yes, that’s exactly right. Instead of learning about what it is to be a woman, what Steve ends up doing is leveraging what it is to be a man in this world to protect and keep herself.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:20] You’re acting like a man.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:43:22] Yes.

 

Paul Scheer [00:43:22] The only good woman is a man is. I think that the premise that this movie keeps I’m kind of like, if only a woman was a man.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:30] Is that a logline?

 

Paul Scheer [00:43:31] No, I think that I was writing that down because, you know, I was like, this movie is like, I’ll tell you why. How women will be better If they had a man controlling them.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:43:40] I see what you’re saying.

 

Paul Scheer [00:43:40] They would be better. But I will say this, we do get to see the other side when they go to the gay club restaurant.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:49] Whoa. The rest of the show is only this.

 

Paul Scheer [00:44:01] By the way, I just want you to know this. Talking in this show has made my Apple Watch track energy. It’s like you’ve done your rings. This show finished my rings on my Apple Watch.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:44:16] Let me say something. You said you would love to have seen a whole movie about the witches. I would have loved to have seen an entire movie about whatever that space was. Okay. Like and also starring starring this security guard, a woman named Nancy.

 

Paul Scheer [00:44:37] Love Nancy.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:38] Give me Nancy’s movie. Where’s Nancy’s Movie?

 

June Diane Raphael [00:44:41] Where is Nancy’s movie. So, Nancy, who’s the woman at the end who steps in for Lorraine and is like trying to figure out if, like, if this person is causing a problem. I was like, is first of all, is she a security guard?

 

Paul Scheer [00:44:54] She looks like the bouncer.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:55] And she seems to know. She seems to know Lorraine Bracco from being at the club before. So I’m assuming it’s either a friend or she works there, but it seems like works there.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:45:04] Okay. Because it did seem like she was also really integrated into the goings on in that space. And I’ve never been to a few lesbian bars in my day. Not to brag, but I’ve never seen something like this.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:18] Something that is fully lit, fully lit. Playing slow, big band music and the clientele is all white femme women.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:45:33] Yes. Long strands of pearls.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:36] Period. Every couple is like the femme beyond. There’s not a butcher woman in the entire club.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:45:44] Won’t find one.

 

Paul Scheer [00:45:44] The esthetic is very old school hollywood, old Hollywood. They even start on the pictures on the wall. This movie came out in 1991.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:45:55] But this is like a speakeasy.

 

Paul Scheer [00:45:57] But in 1991?

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:45:59] You know, it’s like so secret to be gay.

 

Paul Scheer [00:46:02] In New York?

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:46:03] Knock twice.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:07] Here’s the thing. Every person and including everybody who made this movie, every person. Everybody’s homophobic, the movie is homophobic on every level, I think.

 

Paul Scheer [00:46:17] Is Jim Jay Bullock playing into that or playing against it?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:22] Jim Jay Bullock is repeatedly referred to with the F slur. Yeah, for a gay man, which is absolutely insane. So casually.

 

Paul Scheer [00:46:31] Even to his own answering machine, does he call Jim Jay Bullock and leave it on his own?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:37] Please. Wouldn’t it have been amazing? Wouldn’t it have been amazing if when Jim Jay Bullock, who is the psychic that the character goes to to seek advice, if the psychic reading was given through the mouth of his parrot, why isn’t the spirit? There’s a parrot there. They keep cutting into the parrot like it’s a character in the movie. I kept expecting it to talk. Wouldn’t it have been great if the parrot was the voice of the spirit?

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:47:06] You know what? He had his spirit guide had accent problems. That was a problematic accent.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:47:17] The movie is so homophobic, and I should have spent more time on this because the the lesbian scene, like the movie perceives or thinks lesbians are hanging out in brightly lit I think carpeted.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:47:34] Yeah like ball like a ballroom.

 

Paul Scheer [00:47:37] Oh yes. Our restaurant has wall to wall carpeting.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:47:40] Carpeted bathrooms and that they are dancing their slow dances together to like classical music.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:47:47] Like they’re in 8th grade.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:47:49] It’s like big band swing music.

 

Paul Scheer [00:47:52] But there’s no band. It’s all piped in. That’s somebody playing that as a track.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:47:56] And that they’re all dressed in like cocktail dresses. Such a, never seen a portrayal of a lesbian like that.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:48:05] I question whether anybody in the movie is a human being.

 

Paul Scheer [00:48:10] I just want to put it into context one more time. This is the same year that Terminator two Judgment day comes out. Home Alone comes out. Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves like this is 1991. This feels like if you said 85, okay, that’s a a look at something.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:48:29] No, when you said 91 earlier. I was genuinely shocked because it makes no sense for this.

 

Paul Scheer [00:48:34] And I will also just bring this up to a moment. This movie does stick around for a long time, and I think it’s worth watching the most insane 90 seconds. It’s like it’s almost like the moment in Home Alone where they wake up and they realize that they all get to the airport in like 5 minutes. This movie’s like, Oh shit, we’re an hour and 20 minutes in. We don’t have a plot go. And then in 90 seconds, this goes down. Just watch this. 90 seconds.

 

Movie Audio [00:49:03] You’re under arrest for the murder of Stephen Brooks.

 

Movie Audio [00:49:08] You invited Mr. Brooks to the party?

 

Movie Audio [00:49:10] Yes, but he never showed up.

 

Movie Audio [00:49:12] She’s lying.

 

Movie Audio [00:49:14] You’re a witness.

 

Movie Audio [00:49:15] When did you meet the defendant?

 

Movie Audio [00:49:16] The morning after the party.

 

Movie Audio [00:49:21] What did she tell you?

 

Movie Audio [00:49:23] That she was Steve Brooks reincarnated as a woman.

 

Movie Audio [00:49:27] What else did she tell you?

 

Movie Audio [00:49:28] That I shot him.

 

Movie Audio [00:49:35] What else did she say?

 

Movie Audio [00:49:37] That God sent him back.

 

Movie Audio [00:49:39] Would you mind speaking up, please?

 

Movie Audio [00:49:41] God had sent him back and that he couldn’t get into heaven until he found one female who liked him.

 

Movie Audio [00:49:49] Him? Steve?

 

Movie Audio [00:49:49] Her.

 

Movie Audio [00:49:56] But she was drunk.

 

Movie Audio [00:49:57] No, I wasn’t that drunk.

 

Movie Audio [00:50:03] Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

 

Movie Audio [00:50:06] So help me God.

 

Movie Audio [00:50:08] State your name.

 

Movie Audio [00:50:11] Stephen Brooks.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:14] And prison.

 

Movie Audio [00:50:16] Walking. You got to get me. And I’m doing the best that I can. So I had you few.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:21] Five months later.

 

Movie Audio [00:50:22] How do you think I feel Walter? I’m going to have a baby. I’d like to strangle you. That’s how I feel.

 

Paul Scheer [00:50:30] That’s 90 seconds. More plot happens in that 90 seconds.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:35] I was going to say the first. I mean, more than two thirds of the movie happen in, I’m going to say, a week, maybe not even the course of maybe four or five days for the vast majority of the movie. And then from here until the end of the movie takes months.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:50:54] She gestates a human. Nine months.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:50:58] For nine months, gives birth, then dies, then her daughter is five years old, digging her grave?

 

Paul Scheer [00:51:05] But then I will also say that the reason why she dies or the reason why we understand that she’s going to die is because she’s like pre-diabetic and has high cholesterol. But if they didn’t Switch bodies.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:17] Really?

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:51:17] Yeah.

 

Paul Scheer [00:51:18] Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:19] That’s why she dies?

 

June Diane Raphael [00:51:21] High blood pressure.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:51:22] High blood pressure, diabetes.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:51:23] So she dies in childbirth.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:26] Yes. Right. Okay.

 

Paul Scheer [00:51:27] So but I felt like, well, whose body is she taking those ailments from? Because Steve is in the river.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:34] You know what’s interesting, too?

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:51:36] You’re really doing a lot of science. You’re doing so much medical work on this movie.

 

Paul Scheer [00:51:40] She should be a pretty fresh body.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:42] Remember? But I forget what this is. But I have it in my notes. When she goes to prison, right? Prior to that, all the women are back in the hot tub.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:51:50] Yes.

 

Paul Scheer [00:51:50] Oh, yes.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:51:51] That’s where they do their meetings.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:52] Well, what? What is that?

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:51:54] That’s where they do their witch meetings.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:51:56] Let’s get back in the hot tub. Like that would be. Remember when we murdered someone? Let’s go hang out in the hot in the murder tub.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:52:05] But don’t forget, Lorraine Bracco is in her own gigantic tub when she answers the phone.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:52:11] Listen, Jessica, I will be thinking about her that tub for a long time, because there were 3 to 4 TVs.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:52:20] Like she was calling like a sitcom, like go camera A, go camera C. From her tub.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:52:26] From her tub. And I was like, wow, that’s so dangerous. That electricity.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:52:33] I wish that Ellen Barkin had smoked the cigars more. I love it. She became like a cigar chomping. It made me feel like this was I would have loved it more if instead this was like, Oh God and oh God, you devil or whatever. I would like it if it were not those know if it was a Switcheroo with an old man like smoking a cigar. Like that’s what it felt like was doing, like George Burns or something. Right, right, right, right, right.

 

Paul Scheer [00:53:00] But this is the thing. It’s like you need to understand who you’re Switching with or it’s weird. It’s like Jumanji. I really like Jumanji. And there are the new Jumanji, but there are people in it that are acting just like the teenage avatars and the people who are not. And like Ellen Barkin is trying to sit uncomfortably like you look at us all sitting here, two men, two women.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:53:25] All legs crossed.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:53:29] Sharon Stone shot in the first.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:53:31] Oh, yeah. Loved it.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:53:32] Must have been kind of racy for back then.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:53:34] I loved it.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:53:35] And I can’t even do it. Not for not for nothing.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:53:41] It made me laugh. That’s scene made me laugh. Not even aware of it.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:53:48] What about when she takes a penthouse out at the barber’s?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:53:52] Okay, so that I laughed so hard because, like, and this is really for old people, but like, when you went to a barbershop, there were Playboys and Penthouse. That was real.

 

Paul Scheer [00:54:03] At my barbershop, it’s still there.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:54:05] Wait.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:54:06] No, Paul.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:08] That’s the why Paul goes to get a haircut every three days.

 

Paul Scheer [00:54:12] The only chance I get it to see.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:54:14] Wait. You were supposed to be sitting and flipping through Beaver to Beaver.

 

Paul Scheer [00:54:22] Yes, My barbershop.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:54:29] Paul, our children go to the barbershop.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:54:30] I can’t.

 

Paul Scheer [00:54:32] It’s right on the racks. They’re vintage.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:54:34] I can’t understand.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:54:36] They’re vintage? That doesn’t make it better that they’re vintage.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:54:40] Why?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:41] Why what? Well, because it’s a gentlemen’s magazine, and a barbershop is a gentlemen’s domain.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:54:48] But do gentlemen? Did they read Playboy with?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:53] For the articles.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:54:54] With one another?

 

Paul Scheer [00:54:56] But yet.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:54:57] Oh, yeah.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:54:59] That’s what you would do with your friends?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:55:01] Let me be clear. I would never I mean, literally, I know. Everybody think, Oh, come on, you’re gross. We know you’re gross. I would never be like, check this out. I would be mortified.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:55:17] I just feel like that’s a private.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:55:19] Yes, I agree with you.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:55:21] I would hope so.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:55:23] I, I think public pornos, public pornos, i.e., at the barbershop or whatever, is insanity.

 

Paul Scheer [00:55:32] That’s it’s almost like watching.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:55:35] Jessica, the less we know about men the better. And that remains true.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:55:39] The only good woman is a man.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:55:41] Stay ignorant.

 

Paul Scheer [00:55:44] I will say. The the equivalent of like looking at porn in a barbershop is like watching Switch on a commercial airline.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:55:51] 100%.

 

Paul Scheer [00:55:53] And I also say this. He’s looking at a penthouse but is disgusted by Lorraine Bracco.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:55:59] He’s not. So here’s the thing. He’s not disgusted by her. He is. But he is managing his own homophobia.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:08] And I also think he says to her, which is true, the only reason he’s trying to sleep with her is to get the facts in cosmetics account. And that’s his.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:56:18] But I don’t think that’s true.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:56:20] Wait a second. I think that’s what Steve would have done, is leverage his sexuality to get the account.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:56:30] She’s hot for Bracco because she’s all fumbling like, Oh my God, I don’t know how to snap it. And like, that’s so he, she, okay.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:56:39] I honestly think something even though I just said it’s homophobia and I think it’s a part of it, but I think something else is happening on a deeper level for Steve and his sexuality, which is to truly pleasure a woman he doesn’t know because he now is a woman. He’s confronted by something. It’s like he.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:57:06] Well, he’s not in the driver’s seat.

 

Paul Scheer [00:57:08] Yes.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:57:08] It’s really uncomfortable for him.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:57:10] Homophobia. Yeah, that sort of. But it’s also something else is happening at moment. And that’s where the movie does function as a drama, because I’m like, there are some psychosexual levels happening here that like my mind can’t wrap itself around.

 

Paul Scheer [00:57:25] He passes out because I do think he’s not used to maybe a balance or giving up or giving in like she controlling that moment.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:57:35] And she’s going to require something that Steve, as a man has never been able to do.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:57:42] Wait, give give a woman an orgasm? Yeah, it’s my guess. I think Steve is being confronted with the fact that his masculinity or what he perceives of as his competence as a lover is, in fact, a sham. And every woman he talks to is like he sucks. Like all the calls. He’s just been told constantly over and over again, you are disliked by every single woman.

 

Paul Scheer [00:58:08] But here’s what I would love. I would have loved for Steve to be fucked by someone and be like, Wow, that’s what it’s like. Like. And because he was a homophobe, for him to fall in love with his best friend who he has a natural connection with and then have sex with him, I think would have been a very fulfilling ending. But they turn it into rape and it’s like, Oh, it’s so.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:58:34] It’s always a bummer.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:58:35] You cannot leave. You cannot leave Smits with NYPD Blue Balls. No?

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:58:45] That’s why I sent my parents home.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:58:48] That’s a that’s a solid joke.

 

Paul Scheer [00:58:50] Solid joke. Solid joke. Let’s. Let’s go into the crowd. I want to talk to the audience and see if they have anything that they want to talk about from Discord. Somebody whose name is Frog Gahaha. Where are that with? Over there. Okay. I’m going to come to you first because you have an interesting point that I’d love you to pitch out over here. Okay. He’s looking at Cliff notes of his own writing. All right. What’s your name?

 

Audience Member [00:59:13] Jeremy.

 

Paul Scheer [00:59:14] Jeremy. Welcome, Jeremy. Jeremy, what is your question? I’ll hold the mic.

 

Audience Member [00:59:18] Yep. Why at the end of the movie, would Steve want to be a female angel in the afterlife when throughout the movie, Steve was still is all piece of shit chauvinistic self?

 

Audience Member [00:59:28] I agree. I agree. I mean, the movie wants you to believe he’s learned something, but I just don’t think it’s shown us that that learning. I don’t think.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:59:37] I don’t think so either.

 

June Diane Raphael [00:59:39] Is he a woman? Is he does he become a female angel?

 

Paul Scheer [00:59:43] It ends with a cliffhanger, that is the sequel.

 

Jessica St. Clair [00:59:46] He never decides. Because I don’t think the movie wants to say that men are better than women or women are better than men. I think they want a both sides now, which, by the way, how did they get Joni Mitchell?

 

June Diane Raphael [00:59:57] I don’t know.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [00:59:59] We got to talk to Joni. What? Ladies and gentlemen, Joni Mitchell.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:00:06] That was so tough because that is both sides now. I will say my favorite song. I know and I love that song so much. I think the lyrics are so beautiful to hear it. At the beginning of the movie, I was like, okay, what’s happening here? Why is my favorite song being played? I mean, but and then to hear it again at the end, it was really tough.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:00:31] Oh, it was devastating. For how infrequently Joni Mitchell songs are used in movies.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:00:37] That’s what I’m saying. I’ve never heard this song in a movie.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:00:39] You’re going to use this twice in this garbage?

 

June Diane Raphael [01:00:41] And by the way, that that song should be in every movie. Like that song is so important. Those lyrics are so important that to be to hear them for the first. I think it’s the first time I’ve heard them in a movie. Oh, you hear them in this movie? I was so shocked.

 

Paul Scheer [01:00:58] I do want to reveal this. Joni Mitchell saw this movie and was like, You have to put one of my songs in it. She was like, Never have I seen a film.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:01:10] No, I don’t believe it.

 

Paul Scheer [01:01:12] That gets it. And they said, Whoa, you know, she’s a kick them all. And there’s really just this one. And so, yeah, that’s an interesting, fun Joni fact for you.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:01:23] How dare you?

 

Paul Scheer [01:01:25] All right. You’re your name.

 

Audience Member [01:01:27] My name’s Lindsey. Is it okay for Jimmy Smits to marry a woman who has been institutionalized for her to marry her rapist while the cardinals who is marrying them is clearly not okay with what is going on?

 

Paul Scheer [01:01:45] Great question. Great question.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:01:49] I don’t think she, to be clear, I don’t think she’s been institutionalized for like mental reasons.

 

Paul Scheer [01:01:55] Yes, it’s it’s a mental. Because she thinks she’s Steve.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:02:00] I’m sorry. I thought she was in prison. I misunderstood. I misunderstood because I think she should be locked up.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:02:11] Right.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:02:12] Lock her up? Question Mark.

 

Paul Scheer [01:02:14] I love that even at that wedding, only the orderlies showed up like no family.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:02:20] I think they had to be there, babe. I don’t think they showed up.

 

Paul Scheer [01:02:23] Yeah, but, I mean, I agree.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:02:25] They’re on the clock for that one thing there.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:02:29] You think invitations went out to just the orderlies? Save the day.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:02:34] She is charming.

 

Paul Scheer [01:02:35] But where’s Jimmy Smits family?

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:02:38] Poor Jimmy. I mean, is Jimmy in love with his best friend?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:02:43] Yes.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:02:44] Was he always with them before he turned into a woman? You think?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:02:50] I mean, I do think he thinks this is the best relationship he’s ever been in.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:02:55] The friendship.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:02:56] And then. And then when when he gets that ass that he can’t stop touching.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:03:02] I do think that that’s one of the questions of the movie that it can’t answer and won’t is these sort of homo eroticism between two male friends.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:03:15] Wouldn’t it be interesting? Wouldn’t it be interesting to investigate that?

 

June Diane Raphael [01:03:19] I would love to Switch back and see how they feel about each other.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:03:23] Or for even Ellen Barkin’s character to speak to the the that the a transition for them in terms of attraction or whatever it means to be now engaged in a role in an actual consensual relationship with Jimmy Smits because the movie is like well if they have sex it cannot be.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:03:44] Well and also this movie so crazy because the way that and this is this is what I mean by how like the barometer, the male barometer in this movie is so distressing because the way that our Steve in Ellen Barkin’s body addresses his own rape of his body is sort of like, ah, you fucking did it, you crazy cad like you raped me while I was asleep? And it’s so distressing.

 

Paul Scheer [01:04:16] Your name and your question.

 

Audience Member [01:04:17] My name is Florencia. And first of all, I think one bit of physical comedy that I really loved was Ellen Barkin was always wearing her purse directly around her neck.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:04:29] Thank you.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:04:30] That was a really interesting choice.

 

Audience Member [01:04:34] It’s convenient you can sort of rifle around.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:04:38] Weird though that she doesn’t know how a woman wears a purse.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:04:41] Yes. Strange.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:04:44] She’s a man.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:04:44] Bsut she still look at a woman. She’s not star man. She knows how people behave.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:04:50] You’ve seen Star Man?

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:04:52] No!

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:04:53] I knew it. I fucking knew. Oh, you’re a goddamn liar.

 

Audience Member [01:05:00] My question has to do with sort of earlier on in the movie where I was like. Where’s the where’s the point? Where’s her ambition? I thought for a minute that she was going to befriend Margot where they were hanging out in her bed. And I mean, yes, she was blackmailing her. You know, they’re there.

 

Paul Scheer [01:05:20] She could understand, Margot. Oh, I would have killed me, too.

 

Audience Member [01:05:23] Margot is saying. Yeah, exactly. And Margot saying, Well, of course you can’t make out with that woman. You are a homophobe. Right. I thought, like, Oh, are we going to have a moment of, like, woman-woman friendship? Which is actually one of the nice things about being a woman. And just what would the movie be if we went that direction instead of forcing the male female relationship with the rapist?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:05:50] Yeah. Wouldn’t that it wouldn’t that have been great for for Ellen Barkin slash Steve? Yes. Yes. Give it up.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:05:57] It’s a great point.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:05:57] For the movie to be about the friendship, the bird that comes out of her and the woman who murdered her?

 

June Diane Raphael [01:06:07] That’s a movie.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:06:08] That’s a movie.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:09] That’s a movie.

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:10] That’s a movie. That’s a movie.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:14] Thanks, Mario.

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:16] You’re, wow, you have a nice screen grab here. Okay. This is okay. Your name? Okay. Your name?

 

Audience Member [01:06:22] Jake.

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:23] Okay, Jake, Go for it.

 

Audience Member [01:06:24] We didn’t really talk about the director, who’s also the director of Breakfast at Tiffany’s, but he wrote and directed this movie.

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:32] He also wrote and directed Victor Victoria.

 

Audience Member [01:06:35] Correct. Correct.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:35] Oh, wow. Okay.

 

Audience Member [01:06:38] It’s Blake Edwards.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:39] This is a Blake Edwards movie?

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:41] Yep.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:42] The Pink Panther’s Blake Edwards?

 

Paul Scheer [01:06:45] Skin deep with John Ritter and a glow in the dark condom.

 

Audience Member [01:06:49] Jason. It gets worse. Okay.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:06:52] Do not talk to me like that, sir.

 

Audience Member [01:06:56] I deeply apologize. So he did an interview when he was promoting this movie. And I’m not going to read it word for word, but he went over not showing the date rape thing and the abortion issue and also why he made this movie. So he didn’t show it because he said it was telling a fine line, but originally that the date rape was in the script and the people funding the movie made him remove it. He said that while he’s pro-choice for others, deep down he would keep the baby and that the reason Steve did it was because the reason Steve did it was because he’s the only man to ever have that happen. And he wanted to see it through. And then he said, I’m just going to read that because it blows my mind. One of the things that drove me to write Switch was to show what it’s like carrying a baby.

 

Paul Scheer [01:07:51] Wow.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:07:52] This this is that movie? Because I’ll be honest, that only happens in the last 7 minutes.

 

Paul Scheer [01:07:59] I mean, he must have been pissed when Junior came out with Danny DeVito and Schwarzenegger.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:08:04] That, like the amount, they give it the same amount of time to the baby as they do to the Twin Towers in the last scene of this movie.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:08:16] Oh, God.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:08:17] Too far? To soon? Never forget?

 

Paul Scheer [01:08:23] Wow. That really got me. I do know that one scene that was edited out was test audiences did not respond to the romantic subplot between Ellen Barkin and Lorraine Bracco. So they cut that.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:08:37] Oh, so there was more?

 

Paul Scheer [01:08:39] There was.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:08:40] There was an actual. Oh, interesting.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:08:41] That’s what it seemed like. It seemed like a will they, won’t they? Like I want to see them get back together and love each other.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:08:47] That would have been amazing.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:08:48] Yeah.

 

Paul Scheer [01:08:49] But, ah, 1991 was homophobic, is what we understand. Okay, so here we go. I mean, by the way.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:08:54] I don’t think it’s limited to just that year, man. I don’t think I don’t think that’s the one year we had.

 

Paul Scheer [01:09:01] 88, 89, not homophobic, 90, 91, very homophobic.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:09:08] As someone who, in that era, lived in Boston. Tough town.

 

Paul Scheer [01:09:13] All right. You know, obviously, we have an opinion about this movie but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for a second opinions.

 

Audience Member [01:09:21] Steve walked like a man, talked like a man. That’s why his life is done. Donna. Now he is a lady. Donna. Donna. Ellen’s walkin’ crazy. Donna. Donna. Walter is acting rapey. Donna. Now they have a baby and that she died as she gave birth. The thing she changed and now has worth. To enter heaven straight from earth as a woman or as man. It’s time to look at both sides now. This movie got five star somehow with your delusions with enthrall. Or do we not know films at all? Thank you. My name is Cassie.

 

Paul Scheer [01:10:16] Thank you. Great job, Boston. Great job. Okay. These are five star reviews culled from Amazon. There are 733 total reviews. The average prime rating is 4.7 out of five stars. 80% of the reviews are five star reviews. Let’s start with Kevin, who writes “Like Blazing Saddles and Airplane. Some things were just done so well. No one tried to top it. This seems like one of those.” Five stars. Title: Enduring Comedy. Now, I would make the argument that many people have made this movie. A lot, right? Body Switching men, women. Yeah, I think people have tried to top it. I think they have. Right. Mel Gibson.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:11:08] What wait? No, that’s just he can hear what women want. But, I mean, it’s similar territory.

 

Paul Scheer [01:11:18] Janeane. She was in a movie called Switch, right?

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:11:22] Yeah, she Switches.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:11:24] Oh, yeah.

 

Paul Scheer [01:11:25] All right, so maybe it hasn’t been done. All right. This person was right. Sunny writes this “The funniest move.”

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:11:32] Did you just agree with the second opinion? This is the first time in history that a second opinion convinced you.

 

Paul Scheer [01:11:41] Blazing Saddles, Airplane and Switch. Enduring American Comedies. Sunny writes, “Funniest movie in the genre that we’ve ever seen. Ellen Barkin should have earned an Emmy for this role. A real hoot. Five stars.” The title, Ellen Barkin oughta earned an Emmy, but Emmys in quotes.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:12:10] Is It allen Barkin? You seem to be saying Alan, like Alan. Alan, It is Ellen. Ellen Barkin.

 

Paul Scheer [01:12:18] But an Emmy. She would not be nominated for an Emmy, but I guess an Oscar was male. So the joke might have been an Emmy?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:12:27] No, this is no joke. This is a moron.

 

Paul Scheer [01:12:32] Emmy is in quotes. All right. And then.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:12:34] Ellen Barkin should get an EGOT for this.

 

Paul Scheer [01:12:37] And our final one from Jackie Adams. “Great movie. I laughed till water came out of my eyes.” Five Stars.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:12:45] I like that. I like that. Is it as if Jackie is confused. What is this? What is this water coming out of my eyes? Help! This movie produced help.

 

Paul Scheer [01:12:57] Till water came out of my eyes. I will say this. This movie is a remake of two films. Goodbye, Charlie. And that was a Debbie Reynolds, Tony Curtis comedy. And Angel number nine, an X-rated film about a heartless, despicable womanizer who is reincarnated as a woman who then falls for a heartless, despicable womanizer. Written and directed by Roberta Findlay, it’s tagline was the first erotically explicit film ever made by a woman.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:13:28] And this was directly a remake of that?

 

Paul Scheer [01:13:32] It says it’s a remake of two films.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:13:34] Okay. Anybody seen those movies?

 

Paul Scheer [01:13:39] Angel number nine?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:13:40] No. Boston? No. Most of you have. And you’re like, I’m not saying it. I’ll wait, and talk about it at the barbershop.

 

Paul Scheer [01:13:52] Ellen Barkin may not have gotten an Emmy, but she was nominated for a Golden Globe. She lost to Bette Midler in For the Boys. And and this is the final moment here in the last scene, CPR is given by the doctor, but it’s just above the left of the navel. That is the incorrect place to do it.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:14:15] No. We didn’t even talk about as she’s pushing the baby out. She was using Jimmy Smits’ penis as her stabilizer.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:14:29] That seemed appropriate.

 

Paul Scheer [01:14:32] Movie was a hit. Budget 14 million total gross 15.5. Came in number 84 in the top 200 movies of all of 1991. It beat out drop dead Fred, body parts, stone cold. Nothing but trouble. Mannequin on the move and cool as ice but it was beaten by Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2. Look who’s talking 2, Hudson Haw, and Highlander 2 The Quickening. So there you got it.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:04] All of those did better than this?

 

Paul Scheer [01:15:06] There you go. I mean, Wow. Wow, indeed.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:10] Can I just? I just have two quotes of lines from the movie that we didn’t cover that I enjoyed. One of them is, again, I don’t think we’ve given enough credit to Jobeth Williams, who I think is absolutely dynamite in this movie.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:15:24] She always is. Yeah.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:26] They’re walking across the across the sidewalk into the car. She’s wearing a fur coat and someone says, Do you know how many poor animals had to die to make that coat? Jobeth Williams Do you know how many rich assholes I had to fuck to get this coat? BOOM!

 

June Diane Raphael [01:15:40] So good.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:42] Boom. Home run quote. That’s so good, I’m not even going to read the other one. As much as I think describing oneself as being built like a brick shit house.

 

Paul Scheer [01:15:54] That was amazing.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:15:56] Underrated.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:15:58] I know.

 

Paul Scheer [01:15:59] I do want to call attention to one performance as somebody that I love.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:16:03] Catherine Keener?

 

Paul Scheer [01:16:03] Yes. So, Catherine Keener. Can we play that?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:16:08] Sorry, I stole that from you Paul, 100%.

 

Paul Scheer [01:16:11] No, don’t worry about it. Secretary clip.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:16:14] I gasped.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:16:15] I did too.

 

Paul Scheer [01:16:16] A great little moment that we just have to call it where the secretary is crying.

 

Movie Audio [01:16:20] Your sister? Well, half sister. We only just discovered each other a few days ago. Oh. Oh. I’ve been a secretary for two years, and he never said anything about.

 

Movie Audio [01:16:31] Nothing. Nothing.

 

Movie Audio [01:16:33] What did you. Did you look in the drawer? Yeah. I mean, he told Amanda that he was going to check it all and be like Kogan. The painter?

 

Movie Audio [01:16:43] Can’t believe that he wouldn’t call me. Hey, what’s this? It’s a note. Says to Walter, but would you find it in the drawer? Look here, Walter. I’m fed up with my life. I’ve decided to chuck it all. Start again. Like Kogan. I asked Amanda, my half sister, to stay in my apartment when I’m gone. Take her to lunch. You’ll like her. She’s got a great pair of… So long Steve.

 

Movie Audio [01:17:14] What’s the matter? He’s really gone. He always called me that.Oh, I hated him. It’s just I always cry when I’m really, really, really happy.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:17:45] Most realistic performance in the entire film.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:17:47] It’s great. It’s also that watching that, it makes me realize, like. And you telling me it’s a Blake Edwards movie, and you didn’t tell me this motherfucker right here did. Put your hands down, asshole.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:18:00] That’s your half brother.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:18:01] This movie thinks it’s like a screwball comedy, like a goofball, like she walks in, she produces the note. The note says everything that Jimmy Smits just said, it’s the movie thinks it’s hilarious in like a “can you believe it?” kind of way and it’s not.

 

Paul Scheer [01:18:17] In the sanatorium where she is pregnant. And there’s a very dramatic scene. There’s this a man bouncing off the walls in the background.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:18:25] I love that man. And I loved Catherine. I loved him and I loved Catherine Keener because, you know, she barely gets a closeup in this movie.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:18:33] You know who else? Tia Leoni.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:18:37] That’s right. And I thought for sure Tia Leone was going to be the woman that he pursues and is I thought for sure we were building up to that. But it was just nice to see Catherine Keener in this little role, you know, made me feel like maybe all the little roles I’ve done will add up to a career.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:18:58] So someday when someone else’s film based, podcast is doing an episode.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:19:03] Maybe I’ll will be mentioned.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:19:05] When all of your kids are doing this podcast still and they’re talking only about the movies you guys have been in.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:19:14] Truly. I barely recognized her voice at first, but I didn’t. We don’t even fall on her face.

 

Paul Scheer [01:19:23] Going the distance.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:19:25] Yes, I was in that film Paul.

 

Paul Scheer [01:19:29] Gave a great performance.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:19:30] Can I say something that I genuinely did enjoy about the movie? How often most scenes ended in a fistfight.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:19:39] Always.

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:19:39] I loved. I loved how much. If Ellen Barkin’s character punched this many people into unconsciousness, she would have broken hands for the whole movie.

 

Paul Scheer [01:19:51] So you would recommend it?

 

Jason Mantzoukas [01:19:53] Oh, yeah.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:19:54] June, would you?

 

June Diane Raphael [01:19:55] I would actually.

 

Paul Scheer [01:19:57] Jessica?

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:19:58] I would as well.

 

Paul Scheer [01:20:00] And you got a big old thumbs up for me. That’s a four thumbs up. All right. Quickly plugs. Any plugs. I have a plug for you guys. Deep dive plug. Here we go.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:20:12] Yeah. Deep dive, please. If you would like to pursue your degree in significance, the doors are open. This academy of significance, we have a 100% acceptance rate.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:20:27] Yes.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:20:28] Okay. If you apply, you’re in.

 

June Diane Raphael [01:20:31] Yes. And and we are not accredited yet. Yet. But school is in session.

 

Jessica St. Clair [01:20:40] And you know what? Walking in high heels might be a lesson. Look out for it.

 

Paul Scheer [01:20:45] Thank you, Jessica St. Clair. Thank you to June Diane Raphael. Thank you, Jason. I am Paul Scheer. Thank you for coming out. Bye for now.

 

Paul Scheer [01:20:55] A  big thank you to Jessica St. Clair. If you are not a member of the Deep Dive Academy, what are you doing with your life? The Deep Dive Academy is an outreach program. From the Deep Dive podcast, Jessica Sinclair and June Diane Raphael will be teaching you the ways of the world. It is truly amazing. I love it. Check out the Deep Dive Academy. If you want to make sure that you feel like you are part of that show in Boston, well, you can get yourself a shirt that we designed with the audience that night. It is in the style of those ampersand shirts says Blazing Saddles, airplane and Switch just white lettering on a black shirt. Go to Teepublic.com/stores/HDTGM. A big thank you to the Wilbur Theater and their staff and our amazing tour manager, Beth Thomas. If you have a correction and omission from this episode, I want to hear about it. Go to our discord at Discord.gg/HDTGM and leave me a voicemail at 619-PAUL-ASK. If you’re not listening to Last Looks, you’re missing out because Jason and I every week are on there answering your questions, which you can leave me at the same voicemail. 619-PAUL-ASK. And we’re giving you deleted scenes. That’s right. There’s a deleted scene from this episode Switch on next week’s episode. Plus we’ll announce the new movie, and there’s plenty of other fun stuff. Remember, you can find us everywhere online, even threads. That’s right. How Did This Get Made? is now on threads @HDTGM. And you can check out our website for the latest news and information about where we’re going because we will be back on the road. Also, if you listen to us on Stitcher, reminder that the app is shutting down as of August 29th. So please make sure to subscribe to our feed wherever you plan to listen to podcasts going forward so you don’t miss an episode. We don’t have a plan for what we’re doing now that Stitcher’s gone. So bear with us. And last but not least, I got to say thank you to all the listeners and balcony monsters who came to support this show every week. Then our entire team who this show couldn’t be done without. I am talking about our producers, Scott Sonne, Molly Reynolds, our movie making producer, Avril Halley, our engineers Casey Holford and Rich Garcia, and our associate producer Jess Cisneros, who makes those amazing social media videos. I love that Wheel of Fortune one. That’s all I got. I’ll see you next week on Last Looks. Until then, bye for now.