EP. 353.5 — Last Looks: Troll

[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: Tide, Warren Beatty, and who was the age group for Troll? All this and more as we prepare to release another episode of How Did This Get Made Last Looks, hit the theme.

[00:00:33] Music: How did this get made? Tall talk, cheer, and chasing suits Balcony monsters about to puke Chewing iron, that’s what’s its mission And where the mud starts is another question How did this get made? How did this get made? How did this get made?

[00:01:05] Paul Scheer: Hello, all you Harry Potter juniors and Harry Potter seniors.

[00:01:09] I’m your talking mushroom, Paul Scheer and a welcome to How Did This Get Made Last Looks Troll one, where you, the listener get to voice your issues on the first of this franchise of films. That’s right. Troll one, a movie that discord user Rocket Wesker thinks could have been called “Harry Potter and the Cursed Child.”

[00:01:29] Ooh, I like what you did there. The end. Really all ties it together. Anyway, thank you, Rocket Wesker for that title. Or remember if you have an alt movie title or tagline, submit it to us on our discord and we might just read it on the show. That is a promise we might do it anyway, coming up on today’s episode, we will be hearing all of your Corrections and Omissions on Troll.

[00:01:56] We will also have an exclusive deleted scene from our troll episode, which was an in studio episode. What could we have cut out? And Jason will stop by to chat with me about Star Wars comics. And of course, TV that we’re loving and our favorite heist movies. And so much more. Plus as always, I will reveal the movie for next week’s episode, but let me give you a big old rundown of plugs! That’s right.

[00:02:27] Plugs. How Did This Get Made? We are coming back to Philadelphia on November 16th tickets are available right now. We will be at the Miller theater on November 16th. I believe there are 20 seats left for our November 15th show in New York. So get them while you can. And you can see Jason and I performing all around the East coast.

[00:02:52] We’re going to be in Boston, Brooklyn. and DC with Dinosaur. And that group has Nicole Byer, Rob Hubel, Lisa Gilroy, Seth Morris. So many of your favorites plus so many more. Yeah, that’s right. We’ll have some special guests, Carl Tart. He’s in the group. He’s not a special guest, but, uh, when we get to New York, you never know.

[00:03:11] Uh, so definitely check that out. Go to my website or How Did This Get Made website to get your tickets. Tickets are on sale now for all of those shows. And. If you’re in LA, we got tons of LA shows. That’s right. We’re going to be doing a bunch of shows. Three new shows were announced at Largo in Los Angeles.

[00:03:31] So get those tickets while you can. And, a big thank you to all of you for what you did. Last week, we did the virtual live show for Troll 2. It was online and it was so much fun. And we raised 181, 000 for Move On, which is activating people to get to the polls. It was an amazing cause and you all brought it.

[00:03:57] And we even created a shirt from that night and the proceeds from that shirt, our Nilbog shirt will also be going to Move On. Um, wow. Oh, wow. Oh, and by the way. Here’s the thing. If you’re in LA and you want to have breakfast with me, well, guess what you can September 28th, I will be at the LA breakfast club and I will be doing a very special show.

[00:04:23] It will be about all of my celebrity run ins. When I was a kid in Los Angeles. If you read my book, um, there’s a story about me meeting Christopher Walken and Michael Landon. That will be the focus of my LA breakfast club. Uh, morning event at 7 a. m. I believe the ticket sales stop on September 18th, but don’t, uh, quote me on that if you want to make sure that you get tickets, go to my website, uh, paulscheer.com.

[00:04:46] And you will see, uh, the ticket link right on the front page. All right. Woo wee. That was a lot of housekeeping, but now let’s get into Troll. Here is your chance to set us straight, fact check us if you will. It is now time for Corrections and Omissions.

[00:05:01] Music: Corrections

[00:05:04] and Omissions Theme Song

[00:05:16] Paul Scheer: Thank you, Casey

[00:05:17] Campbell for that theme. Let’s go right to the discord. Davrox123 writes, “When the family is escaping the troll infested building at the end, why does the mom take a bottle of Tide with her? Is that one of her most valuable possessions?” You know what, Davrox, always is more expensive than you think. That, and uh, Printer cartridge ink.

[00:05:39] You got to take it with you. You got, you can’t just leave that behind. You need to bring the Tide because who knows when they’ll get to another, uh, another house. I mean, and really the Tide is the reason this whole movie exists because if they didn’t go into that fucking washing machine room, they would never have met that troll.

[00:05:57] And the girl would never have been possessed. Tide. This is a commercial for Tide. That’s the product placement that the, the Italians are hoping to get in there. Ryan says. 1213 gives us an omission regarding why the movie was filmed in Rome. Well I’m very interested in this, he says “the movie’s producer, Charles Band, wrote an autobiography where he says he bought a castle in Italy at auction.

[00:06:19] Like we all do and decided to use it as a shooting location for the bulk of the movies produced by his film company Empire pictures He also bought a production company that was created by Dino De Laurentiis for 20 million in order to fully shoot and produce his films in Italy which would ultimately lead to Empire’s closure in 88 and 89.” Well, wow, that was a giant jump from buying to producing When did he even buy these?

[00:06:43] How long did it exist? All right. I just that some of this film was shot in a castle. Um, let’s go to the phones. Spencer from North Carolina. What do you got?

[00:06:54] Listener: Wanted to let you guys know. I noticed that in Troll, he was reading a play girl type magazine, which I think was called Play Troll or Troll Girl or something like that.

[00:07:06] And I was just astounded and had to pause the movie so I could laugh for about 10 minutes straight. It just was 1 of those things that hit me and I was expecting y’all to talk about it and you didn’t and it was hilarious, especially when you think about the fact that this is a kids movie. And could you imagine the questions that might have started?

[00:07:30] Um, talking about, anyway, I agree with y’all. I totally recommend this movie. It was a fun ride even though I was confused to no end. Thanks for all you do.

[00:07:40] Paul Scheer: You know, this, uh, first of all, thank you so much, Spencer. This reminds me of, uh, that scene in Howard, the duck, where Howard, the duck, I’m saying it like you all know exactly what I’m talking about.

[00:07:52] We did do it on the show, but we’re Howard, the duck sits, uh, in a, like a Barker lounger and opens it up like play duck and you see like a little bit of like nudity with ducks. I mean, it’s a weird scene, but as a kid, I was like, Whoa. And I do love that. Like playboy that they have all these Play Troll. Ooh, it would be disgusting, but maybe that’s what the, what it is.

[00:08:15] I don’t mean to yuck any yums, uh, or troll yums. I don’t know. Anyway, uh, next caller. Thank you, Spencer. Can we get a screen grab of that? Uh, all right. Well, this is from, uh, Oh, from Corona, Corona, California. Let’s see.

[00:08:29] Listener: Hey Paul, thanks for writing such a great book. I enjoyed it so much. I read it twice. Just finished the Troll episode.

[00:08:35] And I know you guys talked a lot about what age group it was intended for. When I was a teenager, I got to go to a preview screening of the movie and they were specifically looking for people eight to 16, so I guess they kind of didn’t know exactly what age group they wanted. Anyway, thanks for a great show.

[00:08:51] Bye.

[00:08:51] Paul Scheer: Whoa, that is a really weird age group to pick. Eight to 16. Like it feels, those are the tail ends of two age groups that you want. You never want in between those two. Weird. And I can’t believe that you remember that. Uh, all right. Uh, let’s see what else we got here. Raina from Rochester.

[00:09:15] Listener: Hi, Paul June and Jason.

[00:09:17] I’ve been listening to your podcast. For forever. And I just love you guys. I will say your Troll episode really brought up some joyful recollections of trauma for me. Uh, when I was 12 years old, I watched this movie with my four year old brother and I got so scared and I was convinced that my little brother was possessed by a troll.

[00:09:41] So of course I asked him if he was possessed. It was a dumb thing to ask a four year old. And he said he was. And like just started laughing maniacally and, um, for a day or two I was, I was, I was pretty scared. And then he tried to push me down the stairs and at that point I started sleeping with my door locked.

[00:10:06] And, um, took me a couple years, I got over it. But, you know, we’re in our forties now and I’m not totally convinced that he’s not totally possessed. So, um, he listens to the show too. Hi Raymond. And yeah, so we love you. Um, love your podcast, love your book and I can’t wait for the next episode. Bye.

[00:10:28] Paul Scheer: Well, thank you, Raina. I have to say, I just was in Denver this past week and I met so many, How Did this Get Made fans.

[00:10:35] They all came out to a Tattered Cover. Uh, we had a fun time, but man, y’all are the best. Thank you so much for writing my book and buying multiple copies of my book. You truly, it means the world to me. Every time I come back, I just feel, uh, from one of these events, I feel just absolutely fantastic. Um, Here’s I’ll tell you, get out, get out.

[00:10:56] I don’t like this story at all. I think he’s possessed too. We have to kill him. Uh, no Raina, stay safe. We need to give her some sort of orb of protection, even though that’s not in Troll, I feel like we need or get her a mushroom plant. Raina, get a mushroom plant. Um, all right, next up, Lisa from Kansas city.

[00:11:16] Listener: Hey, Paul. I just wanted to make mention that June Lockhart is still alive. She is 99 years old. She was born on June 25th, 1925. She was even in Meet Me in St. Louis with Judy Garland. So, anyhow, I just thought that was an interesting tidbit.

[00:11:36] Whoa! I did not get that. And you know what, Scott, our producer did remind me that June Lockhart was also in Holiday in Handcuffs.

[00:11:47] She’s fucking good, man. June Lockhart, killing it. 99, 99. Wow. Well, way to go, June Lockhart. Um, back to the discord, Coolio, uh, Julio or Julio, uh, says “A quick correction regarding Paul’s anecdote about the movie’s producer asking Phil Fondacaro, the actor playing Malcolm to run around in can in a troll costume to promote the film.

[00:12:11] Phil actually refused the request because it was too hot outside. Then, when the circus performer put on a costume instead, she was the one who passed out from the heat exhaustion. So Phil told Charles, I told you, and then continued to bring it up whenever the director asked him to wear the bulky costume again.” So half right, half wrong.

[00:12:29] And I appreciate that correction. Um, Terrible. Terrible. Wearing that fucking costume around Cannes. Um, all right. Anyway, I think, um, they made George Clooney and Brad Pitt wear wolf costumes for their new movie, but who knows? Um, it’s a real inside joke. I don’t think people know the name of that movie yet.

[00:12:50] Alby Robles. Movies called wolves. Uh, uh, Alby Robles. Uh, says, “Hey, June is right. Mixed Nuts is the best movie, but Julia Louise Dreyfus is not in it. The rollerblader described by Jason is played by the great Parker Posey.” Yes, of course, of course. So how much does June really like it? We’ll never know.

[00:13:13] Anyway, uh, so many great corrections and omissions this week, but there can only be one that is the best one that truly stands above all. All the others. And I have to give it to the person whose life is in the most amount of danger. Raina from Rochester, you are the winner. And I’m giving this to you now, because I’m afraid that your brother is going to get you.

[00:13:36] So anyway, sit back and enjoy this. Amazing song from John Astonish and Trey. And then when you’re done, go on the run. You can never be found.

[00:13:45] Music: You win. You win.

[00:13:53] Paul Scheer: There it is. Thank you, John Astonish and Trey. And once again, congratulations, Reina. All right, people. We got here. I got some fun for you. It’s a good, good one. Okay. Remember, uh, if you want to put one of your songs or you want to be like the next John Astonish and Trey, all you got to do is send us a song at HowDidThisGetMade@Earwolf.com.

[00:14:20] We’re accepting songs for corrections and omissions, just chat and winner themes. Keep them short 15 to 20 seconds is best. And a winner theme. Even shorter than that. And if you want to chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode, hit us up on the discord at discord.gg/HDTGM, or call us at 619-PAUL-ASK.

[00:14:38] All right. Coming up after the break, Jason will stop by for a Just Chat. And then I will announce next week’s movie. But first check out this deleted scene from our Troll episode, where we discuss if it’s weird that the kids in the film share a bedroom.

[00:14:53] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, it’s interesting because we were talking about the floor plans and the layouts, right?

[00:14:57] And how big these apartments are, these big, giant apartments. You’d think if you had this much space in an apartment, your two kids wouldn’t need to share a room.

[00:15:06] June Diane Raphael: Jason, I was so upset that they were sharing a room.

[00:15:09] Jason Mantzoukas: I thought it was so strange that those two children, at the ages they’re getting to, are sharing a room.

[00:15:16] That was odd to me.

[00:15:17] Paul Scheer: It looked weird though. I

[00:15:18] think that My gut is that the, I don’t know if it was exactly the same room because when. Or they, or maybe it’s just bad camera work, because it seems like their beds are on opposite sides.

[00:15:31] Jason Mantzoukas: No, he looks

[00:15:32] over at her and she looks back and is like.

[00:15:34] Paul Scheer: Okay, I thought that the troll just snuck in.

[00:15:37] June Diane Raphael: No, he

[00:15:38] falls asleep, they fall asleep next to each other in two twin beds.

[00:15:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, and the shadow of the troll is going over his face and then he looks and it is the troll, then he looks back and it’s her.

[00:15:51] Paul Scheer: Alright people, I hope you are keeping up with our Matinee Mondays. Every Monday we release a film, uh, or an episode of our podcast based on a film that we watch.

[00:16:01] Uh, and this is a favorite, a fan favorite, because it wasn’t released for a long time. It is 2001 Swordfish with John Travolta and, uh, Go listen to it. I believe that was in Denver where I just was. And, uh, next week’s matinee will be, um, Judge Dread. Stallone back in it. All right. Without any further ado, it is now time for a just chat with Jason.

[00:16:23] Rob, play us in.

[00:16:24] Music: My religion and politics, we ain’t gonna talk

[00:16:28] about any of that, no. We’re just gonna talk about movies, and books, and shit, and chasing a ball. I’m gonna call this a damage attack.

[00:16:49] Paul Scheer: Jason, it’s been some time, just you and me talking about the stuff that we like.

[00:16:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Just digging in on all

[00:16:58] that stuff.

[00:17:00] Paul Scheer: I got to tell you, I know you’ll appreciate this because, you know, sometimes it’s a just chat, sometimes it’s just a Star Wars chat, but I want to bridge it here and say that my eight year old has finally gotten into Star Wars, very much a big Boba Fett person.

[00:17:17] Jason Mantzoukas: So I love that.

[00:17:18] Paul Scheer: Uh, here’s the weird thing. Learning about Star Wars through the lego game and then coming through the back door with the movies.

[00:17:27] Jason Mantzoukas: So interesting.

[00:17:28] Yeah sure.

[00:17:29] Paul Scheer: Loves Return of the Jedi. But learning and like coming to me and saying, Hey, and this is a spoiler for, I mean, this is out, but they’re like, Oh, did Kylo Ren kill Han Solo?

[00:17:40] And I’m like, why do you ask? He’s like, cause I just played that level. I’m like, yes. And he’s like, okay, well, I want to watch that movie now.

[00:17:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, the game gives away.

[00:17:48] Oh, that’s interesting. No, that’s too bad.

[00:17:50] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah.

[00:17:50] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s a bummer actually. But, uh, but that’s, I love that. I remember talking to a friend of mine years ago.

[00:17:56] Who said that he was trying to force his son to wait as long as possible before showing him the next movie in the, in the, that was up. He was like, I want him to have the experience we had, which was talking about it and asking questions and thinking about it and, and then waiting and having to wait until the next one, rather than.

[00:18:18] Oh, within a weekend, he’s watched all three of the original and then next weekend, all three prequels or whatever, you know?

[00:18:24] Paul Scheer: Yeah, well, that’s, this is the, the issue is like, sometimes also you go into the schoolyard and, uh, and then they, they reveal everything, but you know, it’s, I’m so interested in watching my kids start to wrap their heads around movies now, like, like in a different way.

[00:18:42] And I, and you look. He watched Empire Strikes Back when my older son liked Empire Strikes Back, but has no memory of it, and now he’s in, and what he likes and what he doesn’t like, and what he wants to see, but what I found is, uh, and this is gonna tie it all together, uh, he really loves Han, and, uh, Leia, and Luke, and, uh, knowing that they die.

[00:19:04] He’s like, I don’t want to watch that, nor do I want to watch the ones before it. Uh, he’s like, I don’t want to see them get old, which was, you know, really interesting.

[00:19:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, because like, that’s especially those first movies. If they’re, I mean, all the movies that really are for kids and you’re seeing a kid, you know, a slight, a teenager, I guess you’re seeing in the eyes through the eyes of a teenager.

[00:19:27] So then that feels doable to then see Luke Skywalker is an old man or is crazy.

[00:19:32] Paul Scheer: Well,

[00:19:33] and so thankfully what we have found. Is the star Wars comics, which take place like right in around. Yes. And so this has been a huge boom. He is right now reading a great comic about, um, bounty hunters. It’s right after, uh, Boba Fett has taken Han Solo’s body in carbonite

[00:19:55] to Jabba the Hutt, so it’s like, I think it’s called Revenge of the Bounty Hunters. It might be, Jason Aaron might have written that, we’re reading a lot of Jason Aaron.

[00:20:01] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s the one where everybody is trying to find where Boba Fett loses Han Solo frozen in carbonite. Yes. And all the other bounty hunters, all the crime syndicates, everyone is after the carbonite Han Solo.

[00:20:16] Paul Scheer: And it’s working. Great. It is. And that is

[00:20:19] really become a

[00:20:21] big.

[00:20:21] Jason Mantzoukas: The other, the other one that he, that he might like is the, the first Darth Vader run where it takes place right after, um, Sith. And it’s about young Darth Vader needing to go and find his lightsaber, uh, needing or not to find a lightsaber to find it’s, it’s so great.

[00:20:40] So, and this was in the fantastic Leslie Headland, our friend, past guest of the show. Leslie Hedlund show The Acolyte. This is, this is featured in it a bit. The idea of bleeding a Kyber crystal of taking a Kyber crystal, a regular Kyber crystal. This is how a Sith lightsaber is made. They find a Kyber crystal and they bleed it.

[00:21:01] So it goes from blue or green or whatever to red. There are no red lightsaber. There are no red Kyber crystals. And you saw it in, uh, in The Acolyte and in this comic book is the other place. It is where Darth Vader has to go and find a, find a Jedi who was not killed by order 66, battle him, get his lightsaber and bleed the Kyber to create Darth Vader’s lightsaber.

[00:21:27] Paul Scheer: Ooh, you see, I haven’t read that one. I read the one where, which is the one that I think should be made into a movie. The one where Darth Vader crashes on a planet.

[00:21:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Vader

[00:21:34] down.

[00:21:35] Paul Scheer: Oh,

[00:21:37] So good.

[00:21:38] Jason Mantzoukas: So good.

[00:21:38] Paul Scheer: So good.

[00:21:39] Jason Mantzoukas: So good. And then, of course, I will say, this is a non, a character who’s yet to appear in live action.

[00:21:46] All of the Dr. Aphra stuff.

[00:21:48] Paul Scheer: Oh, I love that. Yeah.

[00:21:50] I mean, Dr. Aphra is great. And that’s where I have to kind of figure out how to get in. Like, right now, he’s playing Star Wars Battlefront all the time. He’s playing Lego Star Wars, the Skywalker Saga. Uh, and then he will watch me play Star Wars Outlaws, which I talked to you, we texted about this.

[00:22:08] Jason Mantzoukas: I haven’t, I

[00:22:09] downloaded it, but the other day, but I have yet to play it.

[00:22:12] Paul Scheer: I know,

[00:22:12] uh, much to the internet’s chagrin, I enjoy it. It’s fun. It’s it’s my perfect type of game where I can commit to it’s the level of time and commitment that I have. That is fulfilling, you know, basically

[00:22:27] like

[00:22:27] Jason Mantzoukas: I read a little bit about it and I feel like the stuff that is annoying people, I’m not good enough at games to be bothered by.

[00:22:34] Paul Scheer: That’s exactly where I fall on it. I am having so much fun because, you know, uh, after the first chapter where you do this big robbery, uh, you get sent to a planet and you have to raise money and there’s four syndicates on this planet and you have to kind of, uh, not only run jobs for them, but also play them against each other and you’re standing within their syndicates.

[00:22:57] So you, like, part of it is it’s really fun. It’s really fun. And the, and the, I think the thing that I read that encapsulates it perfectly is like, It’s a fine masterpiece. Like it’s like it’s fine and it’s like a fine masterpiece though. It’s like it’s weird. I think people wanted more, but I’m incredibly content.

[00:23:20] I also feel like it’s probably my level of gaming, you know,

[00:23:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, I’m just going to be excited. I feel like to explore Star Wars worlds. I know that the game, you know, the note that I heard was that the game is kind of just like other games. It’s not like right. It doesn’t have enough special moves or special guns or special

[00:23:36] this is or that, but that the game, the world. Worlds and the all of the Star Wars enos of it is incredible.

[00:23:42] Paul Scheer: And that’s what I really like about it And I’m having fun in the app. Yeah, so it’s so all in all In my very limited playing cuz now when I got I mean, this is really nerdy, but I bought it for my son for his birthday and I when he goes to bed

[00:23:57] I’ll use it Is that PlayStation portal so. It’s basically, uh, you can play PlayStation wherever you want. It’s it’s like, I’m trying to think of how to describe it.

[00:24:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Like a

[00:24:07] Switch? Is it like.

[00:24:09] Paul Scheer: Yes,

[00:24:09] essentially it’s exactly a Switch, but it connects to your PlayStation. So as long as your PlayStation is online, you could just jump in.

[00:24:17] So like last night, uh, I’m just playing in bed. Having a great time because it’s like, oh, you know, you know, play it and then I’ll go and we went away.

[00:24:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Can you play it on your, um, Apple vision goggles? Can you play it on goggles?

[00:24:30] Paul Scheer: No, I think what you, maybe you, maybe you could, this is more like, that would be, to have your hands be able to do that and see it.

[00:24:37] That would be awesome.

[00:24:38] Jason Mantzoukas: To run around on a Star Wars planet and have it be your entire field of vision would be incredible.

[00:24:44] Paul Scheer: Oh, I’d love that.

[00:24:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Have you, have you explored at all watching any of the animated shows with him? If you started Clone Wars, that might be an interesting avenue in because it’s all about them being young.

[00:24:57] Paul Scheer: And that’s what I’m trying to figure out. Like, where does he, where is his entrance?

[00:25:02] Jason Mantzoukas: There’s also Young Jedi Adventures.

[00:25:05] Paul Scheer: That seems too young, right? That seems like it’s like, they’re like babies. So I have to find like this middle ground of Lego Star Wars.

[00:25:12] Jason Mantzoukas: They’re

[00:25:13] younglings. They’re young is what they’re, yes.

[00:25:15] They’re not even padawans. They’re young ones.

[00:25:17] Paul Scheer: And then, and look, they look very cute. Um, but, uh,

[00:25:20] Jason Mantzoukas: And not for nothing.

[00:25:21] I, I play Bolter the hut on that show.

[00:25:24] Paul Scheer: What?

[00:25:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Don’t, don’t you worry about it. I am, I play my, I play God like a, I don’t know if he’s a teenager, like I play like a, a villain, a hut villain who?

[00:25:32] They’re all the kid, the kids are always getting one over on.

[00:25:36] Paul Scheer: I love that. Oh, I’m so jealous of that.

[00:25:39] Jason Mantzoukas: I know I couldn’t, I was, it was the fastest I’ve said yes to anything in my life.

[00:25:43] Paul Scheer: That is truly great. I love that. I love it. He’s likes these characters and he likes Boba Fett. So I’m trying to figure out how to get like, um, you know, Lego Star Wars is perfect cause he’s got a good sense of humor.

[00:25:54] So he’s loving to laugh at it and he’s finding the jokes of it. So I’m like, again, I don’t want to overwhelm him. But I show him stuff and I let him pick up and I think the next thing I’m going to probably figure out is like, maybe the Clone Wars is the way we go. We could go in there and see, but it’s like.

[00:26:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Rebels.

[00:26:09] Rebels could be interesting.

[00:26:10] Paul Scheer: Rebels. I love it.

[00:26:11] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s such a good, it’s such a good serialized story. Clone Wars is all over the place. It’s all out of order. It’s all, it’s such a mess. It’s a great mess, but it’s such a mess.

[00:26:21] Paul Scheer: I found something

[00:26:22] online to figure out how to watch it.

[00:26:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Exactly.

[00:26:24] Paul Scheer: But yeah, so we’re trying to, I’m just trying to get there with him.

[00:26:26] I’m trying to get, you know, like We are.

[00:26:28] Jason Mantzoukas: I love that.

[00:26:28] Paul Scheer: We we’re watching, we’re watching Bob’s Burgers, uh, which is great.

[00:26:31] Jason Mantzoukas: The best, uh, and the absolute

[00:26:33] best.

[00:26:33] Paul Scheer: Yeah. Really. And it’s, and he’s loving that. So we we’re figuring it out. We’re figuring it out.

[00:26:39] Jason Mantzoukas: I love that. I love, I love Bob’s burgers. I think that’s one of the consistently most wonderfully funny and heartfelt shows on, and it is a, a, it’s a constant rewatch for me.

[00:26:50] Paul Scheer: It is truly one of the best. I am a huge fan of it. And, uh. You know, I’m not, I’ve never been on it, but I, I am, uh, still a huge fan, but it is one of those shows where I’m like, everyone’s on the show. I’m, I feel like I may have done something wrong. I, and, and, uh, I live, I live with a slight, uh, panic that I made in the mistake.

[00:27:06] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I’m sure that’s not the case. I think we

[00:27:07] all have that list, right? We all have that list in our heads of like, how come, how come I haven’t been able to ever do that? Like, yeah, that’s a hmm.

[00:27:16] Paul Scheer: Yeah. And, and you know what? And sometimes I know this from many a times you go, Oh, I don’t want to give that to that person, it’s too small.

[00:27:22] Oh, I want to give them, you sometimes get to a zone where you start to, uh, you, you almost, you make it so elusive that then there’s nothing that will be good. And then you never get that person in the show. Uh, so there you go. What have you been up to?

[00:27:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, I’ve been, I’ve been doing a lot of. Boy, am I watching a lot of stuff? Um, I’ve been doing, I’m on the road. I’ve been on the road a bunch, so I’ve been just crushing stuff. Um, sitting in a Vancouver hotel for Percy Jackson, just watching episodes. I’ve been just obsessively watching original Law and Order, like Jerry Orbach, you know, Sam Waterston, Law and Order from Chris Noth to, uh, Jill Hennessey from, you know, every iteration I’ve been watching so much old Law and Order and it’s a blast.

[00:28:18] It’s so fun!

[00:28:18] Paul Scheer: Those are really fun.

[00:28:20] Jason Mantzoukas: They’re fun. Every week, the guest stars are like Patti LuPone and here’s Dennis O’Hare, like incredible Broadway actors, season after season coming in. It’s a blast. Um, I’ve been watching Shoresie season three came and went and was absolutely phenomenal. I don’t think it has been a while since we’ve gotten to talk because my, yeah, my list of stuff to watch, a bunch of it is like Shoresie season three alone, season 11, um, you know, like incredible stuff that has now.

[00:28:50] finished or.

[00:28:50] Paul Scheer: Right, right, right, right.

[00:28:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Wrapping up. But, um, shorty season three, I think was just phenomenal TV series.

[00:28:58] Paul Scheer: I love to

[00:28:59] get like, and this is the thing, June and I don’t want to blame my wife because she’s amazing, but she does not want to, um, watch a lot of TV. Of stuff that is not someone who has been brutally murdered, which is always, uh, it’s.

[00:29:16] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, what you guys might

[00:29:18] like, speaking of because I’m still on my kick of like any kind of mystery murder mystery detective.

[00:29:25] I will watch it. Yeah. So, um, there’s a show called Diara from Detroit. That’s on BET plus, that is so good and so funny and it really is the kind of show that I love and that I feel like, boy, am I glad she’s making this show. Um, it’s just, what if a murder mystery happened to a regular person? Like a school teacher in Detroit goes on a number of dates with someone who then disappears and now she’s trying to solve the mystery while maintaining her regular life, which is.

[00:29:58] That is. The careening back and forth is dynamite.

[00:30:03] Paul Scheer: I love that. And I will say that I’ve gotten into a lot of heist things lately. I’ve been watching a lot. Oh, there’s a movie. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of it. Cause I never even heard of it. It’s called. Dollar sign and it’s Warren Beatty and Goldie Hawn, and it takes place in Germany with the actor who played Goldfinger in Goldfinger, uh, right?

[00:30:29] So, uh, the premise is Warren Beatty, uh, does security systems for banks or really, this one bank. Making it the most secure bank in, uh, Germany and it’s a heist. I won’t go into it more than that because I think I’ll start to unravel too many threads. Uh, Goldie Hawn, uh, plays a sex worker, uh, who has already been working with Warren Beatty and they have a little scheme, but the climax of the movie is quite literally a 35 minute foot chase.

[00:31:06] Like, and it is at first you’re like, this is stupid. This is silly. I’m not into it. And then minute seven hits or minute eight. And I’m like, this is the most dramatic thing I’ve ever watched because it’s just two men running after each other. And neither of them are exceptionally, they are fit. They are running for very important purposes.

[00:31:36] And. It’s sloppy and weird and it is like, at the end of it, my heart was racing because it, it’s just, it’s so simple. I can’t even, and it blew, it blew my mind. Tha movie.. I mean, it, it, it may be not my favorite of all of them. I really liked it. Um, but it all started because I started, I watched that movie, The Instigators, which people seem to hate.

[00:32:02] But I loved it. I love that too.

[00:32:04] Jason Mantzoukas: I watched half of it. I’m enjoying it. I mean, I’m a sucker for a Doug Liman movie.

[00:32:08] Paul Scheer: Me too.

[00:32:08] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, I’m gonna quibble with some people’s Boston accents, but

[00:32:12] Paul Scheer: Well that, I mean, yes.

[00:32:13] Jason Mantzoukas: But that’s to be expected. But yeah, I’m enjoying it. I don’t, I, I, all similarly was kind of like, why don’t people like this?

[00:32:21] This is totally fine to me.

[00:32:22] Paul Scheer: It’s, it’s just like a fun, I mean, I’m just watching it and I’m like, you know, it was great in it is fucking Ron Perlman, man. Ron Perlman.

[00:32:30] Jason Mantzoukas: I haven’t gotten to

[00:32:30] Ron.

[00:32:31] Paul Scheer: Oh, oh shit. When you get to Ron Perlman. Oh my God. Ron Perlman. Like, and that, like, that’s when it like, Oh, I can’t wait.

[00:32:39] I can’t wait. Uh, there’s some, you, you, you will enjoy it. It is like, if you haven’t gotten to that part yet, you haven’t even seen some of the good stuff.

[00:32:46] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s no,

[00:32:46] no, I have. Oh, I don’t think I’ve seen any of the good stuff. All right. You know, I really just watched a bunch of the act one and I was like, okay, I’ll come back, I’ll come back to this for sure.

[00:32:54] Paul Scheer: You’ll like it. I guarantee it.

[00:32:56] Jason Mantzoukas: But that’s the kind of movie that kind of, um, street level crime movie, you know, is what I love and what so much of what we’re talking about too, because like, and I’ve been rewatching, like, I just rewatched Get Shorty and L. A. Confidential

[00:33:12] Paul Scheer: How is Get Shorty? I watched it.

[00:33:14] I’m like, good?

[00:33:16] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, It’s it’s good. It’s good. You know what it is. It’s a perfect 4 p. m. on a Saturday movie.

[00:33:22] Paul Scheer: Okay.

[00:33:23] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s I would have been I would be a little disappointed if I watched it at like nine o’clock, eight o’clock prime time, right? It was a perfect afternoon. Like what a blast. That movie is L. A.

[00:33:34] Confidential, home run. Great.

[00:33:36] Paul Scheer: Well, that’s

[00:33:37] amazing. And you know, I have to say I rewatched the entire Ocean’s 11 trilogy.

[00:33:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, that’s great.

[00:33:44] Paul Scheer: And I, and I, you know, every now and then you go back and go, Oh, I was wrong. I was this. I gotta say Oceans 12 is really good. Is really, really good because it’s like, I think it’s that thing where we get into a zone in the moment, right?

[00:34:00] Oh, it’s not the same thing that I liked before. Where was they did the thing? It’s like, but it’s, it’s better. It’s like they actually took it and evolved it. And whereas the third one, I like. And it’s the third one is like, kind of like a real, like,

[00:34:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Super nuts and really goes off the rails, I think. But those movies are fun.

[00:34:21] Those movies are fun.

[00:34:22] Paul Scheer: And it’s

[00:34:23] like, and it’s like, it’s fun. But I thought that 2 is truly like a bit of a masterpiece in using all these characters in a way that didn’t feel redundant.

[00:34:34] Jason Mantzoukas: And I’ll put another

[00:34:35] movie that I feel like didn’t get as much, uh, play, but is in that same playbook is Logan Lucky.

[00:34:42] Paul Scheer: Oh yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:34:44] Jason Mantzoukas: The other, the Soderbergh heist movie. You’re talking about heists

[00:34:47] movie.

[00:34:47] Yeah. The race. Yes. The heist movie that is, um, you know, Daniel Craig and that crew. And I think that’s a fun, super fun movie. That is in the same world as what we’re talking about.

[00:34:58] Paul Scheer: Right. And you got like Adam Driver, right?

[00:34:59] And ch and uh, Channing Tatum. I think the thing that was jarring to me the first time I saw it was that thing of Daniel Craig being like, Hey, y’all, you know, but, oh yeah, man. The origin of that accent, which we’ve now grown accustomed to. ,

[00:35:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Now we just think he’s, what? He’s just from Alabama. I think Daniel Craig is like, I’m, I’m, sometimes I’m James Bond the most sophisticated man.

[00:35:21] And sometimes I’m like a gator man crawling out of the swamp.

[00:35:25] Paul Scheer: Uh, what else, what else have you been, uh, watching?

[00:35:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, I want to shout you out for, we’d never talked about our friend, Ed Brubaker’s, um, Batman animated, uh, yes. And you were on, uh, as the twins of the penguin and It was, you were terrific, but I thought that show was dynamite.

[00:35:45] Paul Scheer: How good is that show? It’s truly like it gave me everything. I guess I just haven’t seen a show like that. I’m hoping that the new penguin show, the Colin Farrell HBO show.

[00:35:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Has that

[00:35:59] vibe.

[00:35:59] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:36:00] Because there’s something exceptionally fun to do Batman in that type of world. I mean, I think it’s like to put it in the forties.

[00:36:08] It just, I think makes it better, but I also just think the underworld that that crime, I thought they did a fantastic job. That was truly, uh, the best job.

[00:36:17] Jason Mantzoukas: What a cool, what a cool thing to be a part of. And what a great show. I had a blast watching it. Um, and great, great cast. Great, great stories like a really an adult revisiting

[00:36:30] of Bruce Tim, uh, Batman, the animated series, like really good stuff. Ed Brubaker, you know, who we’ve talked about a million times, who’s been a guest on our Daredevil episode. One of the best comics writers working in the game. His Reckless series is incredible. Uh, all of his stuff is just, just fantastic.

[00:36:48] Paul Scheer: And Ed right now, I think it’s okay to announce that Ed is right now in production on, on bringing these things to life, which is.

[00:36:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Making Criminal right now. They’re making Criminal, uh, for Amazon, I believe. Right. Is that right?

[00:37:02] Paul Scheer: Yeah. And

[00:37:03] it’s, they’ve been, they were shooting up in, uh, I think it is Amazon.

[00:37:06] They were shooting up in, uh, Seattle. We were doing our show. Yeah.

[00:37:10] Yeah.

[00:37:11] Jason Mantzoukas: One of the great.

[00:37:12] I’m could not be more excited. If you’re looking for graphic novels, crime based stories. These are not superhero stories. These are not supernatural stories. Crime based street level detectives and crooks and con men.

[00:37:25] You can do. I mean, Ed Brubaker is the top of the list and the Criminal books are phenomenal. They are. It is an interwoven series of characters and time periods in which just basic crimes are being done. And it is just fantastic. I love these books. Can’t recommend it enough.

[00:37:45] Paul Scheer: And I’ll tell you, you know, as, cause I, it has been announced Charlie Hunnam is, is, uh, the lead.

[00:37:52] Yeah. You have people like Richard Jenkins in it. It is going to be like a who’s who of your favorite, uh, characters, uh, act.

[00:38:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I’m excited

[00:38:02] for it. I can’t wait. Um, I will say, um, A bunch of other stuff just to throw out there. There is, I, I talked on this a while ago about the four hour documentary about the making of RoboCop called RoboDoc.

[00:38:16] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:38:17] Jason Mantzoukas: There is, there is now a five hour documentary about the making of Aliens called Aliens Expanded.

[00:38:24] Paul Scheer: I just saw that last

[00:38:26] night on Plex and I was like, wait a second, how did I not know about this? And I was like, I have to, is it good?

[00:38:33] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s great. It’s great. It’s very similar to the RoboCop one.

[00:38:38] It’s great because they have everybody, everybody who’s alive is participating.

[00:38:42] Paul Scheer: Wow.

[00:38:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Sigourney Weaver, James Cameron, all the actors, all the, everybody who’s alive. So it’s similar to the other one and they’re just telling stories. So it doesn’t have a real, it feels almost like a fan documentary in the sense that it’s, it’s overly long, it’s indulgent, and it’s a lot of it is just storytelling, but that’s what I loved about it.

[00:39:01] I loved hearing about the camaraderie and hearing about what it was like on set, everybody talking about how incredible and wonderful Bill Paxton was just really great stuff, you

[00:39:10] know.

[00:39:10] Paul Scheer: And, and, you know, uh, that, uh, the writer director of that, Ian Nathan, uh, is getting ready to start shooting The Thing Expanded.

[00:39:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Ooh, great. Oh, that’s a homerun. I love that. Yeah. So that’s fantastic. Ooh, cool.

[00:39:27] Paul Scheer: So yeah, there we go. Um, all right, Jason, we’re going to wrap it up right now and we will be back in a little bit.

[00:39:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Are we going to be back?

[00:39:34] Paul Scheer: We’ll be back next time. Next time. All right, people. I hope you enjoyed my chat with Jason, but it is finally time to announce our next movie.

[00:39:43] All right. Next week, we’ll be going from a rat burgers to double decker bologna sandwiches. That’s right. You didn’t have to be a brain surgeon to figure this one out. We will be watching one of the best worst movies of all time, 1990s Troll 2, which has absolutely nothing to do with Troll 1. That’s right, nothing.

[00:40:02] They just took the title. As a matter of fact, Troll 2 is about goblins, but here’s the idea, right? A vacationing family discovers that the entire town they’re visiting is inhabited by goblins disguised as humans who plan to eat them. Okay. Rotten tomato gives this film a 5 percent score on the tomato meter.

[00:40:21] And Nick Shager from lessons of darkness rights. “It’s rare to find a film with such an ignominious reputation that actually lives up to the hype.” And guess what? Nick is right. Let’s take a listen to the trailer for Troll 2. Have

[00:40:38] Trailer Audio: Have a nice stay at Nilbog. You and our city. Powers of evil are very strong here.

[00:40:44] Stop the car, Dad! I’m sick! They’re eating her! And they’re going to eat me! Kids with a sweet tooth like yours love ice cream.

[00:40:58] Delicious.

[00:41:08] Paul Scheer: Troll 2 is available to stream on Amazon prime video, Freevee, Tubi and Canopy in addition to Canopy, Hoopla and Libby are two more digital media services offered by your local public library that are absolutely free. All you need is a library card. And sometimes you don’t even need that because you can just sign up for a library card on the app.

[00:41:25] It’s a great, way to do it. The Libby app. I love it. Consume, uh, TV, music, audio books, eBooks, and comics for free. That’s right. And that’s it for me. That is all for Last Looks. If you listen to us on Apple podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review the show. It helps us. Plus make sure you are following us and have automatic downloads turned on.

[00:41:47] It helps the show and. We appreciate it. Now you can visit us on social media @HDTGM. And I want to shout out the Action Jackson 5 for making our opening theme song and a big thank you to our producers, Scott Sonne and Molly Reynolds, our movie picking producer, Avaryll Hallie, and our associate producer, Jess Cisneros and our engineer Casey Holford.

[00:42:05] We will see you next week for Troll 2.