EP. 361.4 — Con Air LIVE! (Re-Release)

 

[00:00:00] Paul Scheer: Hello, people of Earth. This week, we are taking a holiday hiatus from Last Looks, and instead, we are re releasing the How Did This Get Made, classic episode on our favorite guy, Nic Cage. All right, in a movie that we love to call A feel good plane film. That’s right. It is 1997’s Con Air. You’ll be hearing us discuss John Malkovich’s amazing death scene, Nic Cage’s Southern accent, John Cusack’s socks with sandals, and so much more.

[00:00:28] You know what, uh, before we even get into the episode, I want to make sure that you’ve secured your tickets to see us on the road this March and April. We’re going to be in Austin, Denver. Boise, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, and Los Angeles. We are blown away by Denver and Seattle coming out in a major way.

[00:00:44] Uh, you’ve been asking for us and you, you did it. You got those tickets right away. So we appreciate that. Go to HDTGM. com to check out How Did This Get Made live. You can also see Dinosaur with me and Jason and NiColm Byer and a whole bunch of other great people in San Francisco at sketch fest and at Largo in January.

[00:01:01] So just go to HDTGM to get all the info that you need to get tickets for all these great shows. But now, um, while there are no Last Looks today, I wanted to make sure you could still prep for our next movie because we wanted to start off 2025 with a bang. So next week, please prepare yourself for the Francis Ford Coppola passion project that was over 40 years in the making. I am talking about the 2024 sci fi drama, Megalopolis. That’s right. Rotten Tomatoes gives this film a 46 percent on the tomato meter and Adam Graham from the Detroit News says Megalopolis is an experience more than it’s a movie and as an experience, it’s unforgettable.

[00:01:36] And honestly, I agree, you can rent Megalopolis on Apple TV, Amazon Prime and Google Play. And remember if you have any corrections on our last episode Bad Boys Ride or Die, you know, post them because we’re gonna be covering both You Bad boys and Megalopolis and our new last looks episode. So make sure you submit those corrections and omissions on our discord at Discord.gg/HDTGM, or leave us a voicemail by calling 619 P A U L A S K. That’s all I got people. So now without any further ado, enjoy this re release of Con Air.

[00:02:07] It’s like an all star version of the Love Boat, except with sociopaths, murderers, and serial killers. We saw Con Air, so you know what that means.

[00:02:21] Music: [Intro Song] [00:02:26] Paul Scheer: Hello people of Earth! And hello people of Largo! We are coming to you live from Los Angeles at the Largo. Largo is an amazing theater. If you’re ever out here in LA, come to this theater. They have amazing shows. I don’t care when you’re listening to this. Cool shit happens here. Check out their calendar. They’re awesome. So we want to thank them for always giving us such a nice place to do the show and thank you guys all for coming out. Thank you guys. I’ve pimped you into an unnecessary applause. Please welcome My co host to the show, Jason Mantzoukas!

[00:03:26] Now, As I told this crowd before, it wouldn’t be a live show if we didn’t not have the full team here. Uh, we do not have June in person today, but I would like to welcome June via Skype.

[00:03:42] June Diane Raphael: I so wish I could be there. It’s making me crazy. I’m so sorry I’m not there.

[00:03:51] Paul Scheer: All right, well, welcome, June. Welcome.

[00:03:54] June Diane Raphael: Obviously, I know, Paul, you’ve said this, but if this doesn’t work, like, really feel free to just, like, cut the cord with me. You know, just let me go. Just let me go.

[00:04:03] Jason Mantzoukas: I have great news, June. It is working.

[00:04:11] Paul Scheer: You can see a little bit of Jason.

[00:04:12] June Diane Raphael: Oh, that’s good though. I can see Jason now.

[00:04:21] Paul Scheer: We have a very, uh, special guest tonight. Uh, you know him as an author, as a, a super talented writer. Seth Grahame-Smith! Welcome, Seth Grahame-Smith!

[00:04:40] Oh my gosh, here we go.

[00:04:43] Jason Mantzoukas: This is one of the most visual podcasts we’ve ever done.

[00:04:48] Paul Scheer: Yeah, well one of, yeah, uh, one of.

[00:04:51] Jason Mantzoukas: So much of this is predicated on June, you are, you, do you know, June, that you’re on the big screen, right?

[00:05:00] June Diane Raphael: I’m not. Ah! I’m not totally comfortable with it. This feels insane to not be able to see the audience.

[00:05:08] Jason Mantzoukas: It is amazing.

[00:05:10] June Diane Raphael: It feels completely insane.

[00:05:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Con Air!

[00:05:14] Paul Scheer: Alright, so let me just start off, and I thought about Con Air when we were watching it. Remembering back to a How Did This Get Made episode where we had Danny Trejo on the show.

[00:05:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, and give it up for Danny Trejo.

[00:05:31] Paul Scheer: And I asked Danny I said you’ve worked with all these people you are like a Hollywood badass like when movies people don’t want to Mess with you. They don’t want to fuck with you like in Con Air. You were surrounded by a who’s who what I guess people generally think of the craziest actors in Hollywood, right?

[00:05:47] You are on this insane, like, Love Boat esque prison ship with them. Who is the craziest guy? And he answered us, after a moment of thinking, And said, John Cusack.

[00:05:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes! He said he was most afraid of John Cusack.

[00:06:03] Paul Scheer: Which is interesting.

[00:06:05] Jason Mantzoukas: He’s been to prison.

[00:06:08] Paul Scheer: He said that John Cusack just has something behind the eyes.

[00:06:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:06:12] Paul Scheer: That scared him. This is true. Uh, so I just want to put that in perspective. But Con Air, I had to go out and say this is a movie that when I first saw it, I did not like it.

[00:06:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh.

[00:06:21] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:06:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Paul, I’m gonna disagree with you. Here’s the deal. And I thought it before we did the movie, before I watched the movie, because having seen it before, and I then was reminded, this movie is fucking awesome. This is an awesome movie that should be, we should, we should call this whole night, thank God This Got Made. Because both of these movies are fucking dope.

[00:06:55] Paul Scheer: I think In watching it again.

[00:06:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:06:59] Paul Scheer: And, uh, and watching it again, I feel like I enjoyed my experience of it more. But when I, but it’s also like, drinking like Jäger. Like, it’s like in the moment, it’s like, Yeah! Jäger shots! Then the next day it’s like, why did I do that?

[00:07:14] Was it really that good?

[00:07:16] Jason Mantzoukas: See, I, I don’t know, man. I am what, I have legit almost no notes. Because, for me, the movie made sense.

[00:07:29] Paul Scheer: Ha, ha, ha.

[00:07:30] Jason Mantzoukas: He added up. There was nothing that I was like, Oh, I gotta make a note of that because that’s crazy. Nope. I’m like, yes. On board. On board. Nic Cage’s accent, on board!

[00:07:43] On board! On board!

[00:07:44] Paul Scheer: Let’s, let’s see, let’s see what our, our, our guest, Seth, what was your, coming into this movie, where were you?

[00:07:50] Seth Grahame-Smith: Well, I hadn’t seen it since, uh, what was it, 1997? So I hadn’t seen it since the theater. I don’t remember liking it or, or not, but I watched it a few times in the last few days and, uh, I do have some notes.

[00:08:02] Jason Mantzoukas: You have pages of notes. For the listeners at home, you have pages of notes.

[00:08:05] Seth Grahame-Smith: I have pages and pages of single space notes.

[00:08:08] Paul Scheer: I have a lot of notes too.

[00:08:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, didn’t take them. Just loving this movie.

[00:08:14] Paul Scheer: Cause I would argue that the one thing the movie doesn’t do, is make sense.

[00:08:20] Seth Grahame-Smith: Correct.

[00:08:21] Paul Scheer: I think it is enjoyable to a certain degree.

[00:08:24] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yeah.

[00:08:24] Paul Scheer: But it does not make sense.

[00:08:27] Jason Mantzoukas: It adds up. This movie Top to bottom, T to B guys, this movie adds up.

[00:08:34] Seth Grahame-Smith: What I love most about the movie is it’s I think I love most it’s subtlety. The fact that, you know, the characters are real, complex, three dimensional, living, breathing human beings with hopes and dreams and nuance and, uh certainly not stereotypical. It may be, it may be the most racist movie since, since Birth of a Nation. I’m just putting that out there.

[00:09:02] Paul Scheer: I’m glad that you brought that up because that is a theme in our, on our Second Opinion. June, let’s check in with you.

[00:09:10] June Diane Raphael: Okay, I, I just want to talk about where I was coming from just as a viewer. I, for a long time I thought this movie was a different movie and I was going around telling everybody I loved this movie thinking it was, what did I think it was Paul?

[00:09:26] Paul Scheer: I don’t remember what you thought it was.

[00:09:30] June Diane Raphael: I thought this movie was another airplane movie.

[00:09:34] Jason Mantzoukas: The movie Airplane?

[00:09:35] June Diane Raphael: Not the movie Airplane.

[00:09:36] Paul Scheer: Soul Plane.

[00:09:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Snakes on a Plane.

[00:09:39] June Diane Raphael: Not soul Plane.

[00:09:40] Seth Grahame-Smith: Flight Plan. That’s a series.

[00:09:42] June Diane Raphael: Not Flight Plan.

[00:09:43] Seth Grahame-Smith: No, okay.

[00:09:44] June Diane Raphael: Paul, we had a whole discussion about that. Was it president on a plane?

[00:09:46] Paul Scheer: Oh, Air Force One.

[00:09:47] June Diane Raphael: Air Force one. But here’s what I’m realizing.

[00:09:52] Jason Mantzoukas: You thought Con Air, the movie about convicts on a plane, was Air Force One, the movie about Harrison Ford as the president.

[00:10:02] June Diane Raphael: Yes.

[00:10:03] Jason Mantzoukas: Welcome back, June.

[00:10:04] June Diane Raphael: But you know what I realized, though?

[00:10:07] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, where’d she go?

[00:10:08] Paul Scheer: She’s there. She’s there. She’s there. No, she’s there.

[00:10:09] Jason Mantzoukas: She’s there. Oh, we got her. We got her. We got her.

[00:10:11] Paul Scheer: It’s only on audio. It’s only on audio.

[00:10:14] June Diane Raphael: I realized something about myself, which is that I do love a plane movie. I like a movie that takes place in the sky. Because the stakes are so much higher. And you’re dealing with the stakes of what’s out there. You understand what’s happening.

[00:10:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Because they’re on the plane.

[00:10:37] June Diane Raphael: But there’s also the stakes. I’m sorry?

[00:10:39] Jason Mantzoukas: Because the stakes are so much higher because they’re on a plane.

[00:10:43] June Diane Raphael: That’s right.

[00:10:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:10:45] Paul Scheer: June, may I just check in with you and see, what do you think about a boat movie?

[00:10:53] June Diane Raphael: I’m not interested in it.

[00:10:59] Jason Mantzoukas: But for you, some sort of, um, um, Some sort of thriller that is set up on a, uh, uh, uh, on a plane really ratchets it up for you.

[00:11:09] June Diane Raphael: Love it.

[00:11:12] Paul Scheer: All right, so now that we’ve got.

[00:11:14] June Diane Raphael: And, which, last, can I say one more thing about movies on planes?

[00:11:16] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:11:17] Jason Mantzoukas: I, we would love nothing more.

[00:11:19] June Diane Raphael: Okay, because I think one would fee one could feel like it would get claustrophobic to be on the plane the entire time. For the entirety of the movie. And I never feel that way. I never feel that way.

[00:11:31] Seth Grahame-Smith: All right. Can we start? The plane aside. I think we, let’s go through the movie a little bit.

[00:11:37] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:11:38] Seth Grahame-Smith: And let’s talk about some logic because you said the movie starts. You said the movie starts and it’s great.

[00:11:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah.

[00:11:44] Seth Grahame-Smith: Okay. Yeah. Uh, it, well, it starts with kind of like a history channel, the army Rangers, you know, uh, and all of a sudden we meet, you know, Cameron poe.

[00:11:55] Paul Scheer: Who, if for you Bachelor fans, I would hope is a brother of Sanderson Poe. Sorry, the four people, wow. Not, why are you guys watching The Bachelor?

[00:12:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Backstage, Paul was like, I’ve got a Bachelor joke that’s gonna crush.

[00:12:10] Paul Scheer: Sanderson Poe, come on.

[00:12:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Guys, this Sanderson Poe joke. Get out of the way when I go, do my bachelor jokes, guys, get out because it’s gonna destroy .

[00:12:21] Paul Scheer: How dare you?

[00:12:22] Jason Mantzoukas: People will riot, you said.

[00:12:27] Seth Grahame-Smith: So yes. So, okay. So Cameron Poe gets, uh, honorably discharged from the Army Rangers. And, uh, so he goes home to see his baby girl.

[00:12:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Can I ask a question though, just before we get into that?

[00:12:39] Seth Grahame-Smith: Sure.

[00:12:39] Jason Mantzoukas: How old, does he seem too old to be doing this?

[00:12:42] Seth Grahame-Smith: Way too old.

[00:12:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Cause it like, it was like, Ba da da. Here’s Nic Cage, and I was like, Oh no, you’re too old.

[00:12:48] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:12:49] Jason Mantzoukas: You’re too old to be doing this. You are, you don’t look like you belong in the Rangers at all right now.

[00:12:55] Paul Scheer: That’s why he was discharged. He was like, you’re pushing 35.

[00:12:59] Jason Mantzoukas: We just realized you’re prohibitively old for this.

[00:13:04] Seth Grahame-Smith: Uh, it was a pre 9 11 army. So different, different stance. Okay, sorry. I’m sorry.

[00:13:09] Jason Mantzoukas: You say 9 11 as if it happened.

[00:13:12] Seth Grahame-Smith: Right. Thank you.

[00:13:16] Jason Mantzoukas: Those buildings are still there.

[00:13:18] Paul Scheer: Guys, stop worrying about what happened to this country. Start watching The Bachelor.

[00:13:25] Seth Grahame-Smith: So Cameron comes home to see his, his, uh, his super hot, uh, waitress wife who’s been, you know, and it’s in Mobile, Alabama.

[00:13:33] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:13:34] Seth Grahame-Smith: And something interesting, He steps off of a tiny little dinghy fishing boat onto a dock and walks up to the bar where she works. Now, does the army send all of its Rangers home via tugboat?

[00:13:49] Paul Scheer: That was odd because it didn’t seem like he was that that place was on an island.

[00:13:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep, right.

[00:13:54] Paul Scheer: You could have probably just flown in.

[00:13:56] Seth Grahame-Smith: You could have flown or driven or, you know.

[00:13:57] Paul Scheer: Yeah, you could have come the other way.

[00:13:59] Seth Grahame-Smith: But what, here’s, but here’s, here’s what gets the whole thing started. This is what sends Nicolas Cage to jail. Yes. And gets the whole thing started within the first three minutes of the movie. And I grant you that, Jason. It, it wastes no time. It wastes no time. So he goes and this guy, uh, uh, uh, army ranger in uniform, walks into a bar in the deep south and his beautiful girl is there the waitress there And what’s the first thing that happens? Two rednecks go fuck you army guy. Yeah out of nowhere. They hate an army guy.

[00:14:29] Jason Mantzoukas: They hate him for his service

[00:14:32] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yeah, exactly right. That’s what I’m saying.

[00:14:34] Paul Scheer: By the way, he’s also Southern. Like, they’re, they’re, they’re.

[00:14:37] Jason Mantzoukas: You know how you know. Flawless accent.

[00:14:39] Seth Grahame-Smith: Flawless. Flawless.

[00:14:41] Paul Scheer: I will, I will say that in the research of this movie, I will tell you that Nicolas Cage, uh, traveled specifically to Alabama to perfect his accent.

[00:14:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Well done, Nic. Yeah. Time well spent.

[00:14:56] Seth Grahame-Smith: Mission accomplished.

[00:14:56] Paul Scheer: I want to even take a, I want to take one step back and go, so, when he goes to see his smokin hot waitress wife.

[00:15:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Monica Potter.

[00:15:02] Seth Grahame-Smith: Monica potter.

[00:15:03] Paul Scheer: Monica Potter. Who was going to be here tonight. Sadly, uh, Easter plans kicked in. She was gonna be our very special guest. So, a real bummer there. She was very excited. Um

[00:15:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Joining us is Nicolas Cage!

[00:15:16] Paul Scheer: Um Also via Skype. Um.

[00:15:20] Jason Mantzoukas: That would be amazing.

[00:15:21] Paul Scheer: So, but To me, the thing that kinda already started this off He has been away for a while. He comes home, kisses his wife’s belly. Her belly is flatter than anything I’ve.

[00:15:34] Seth Grahame-Smith: She’s one hour into her pregnancy.

[00:15:36] Paul Scheer: Yes. And who got her pregnant?

[00:15:38] Seth Grahame-Smith: Who got her pregnant?

[00:15:39] Paul Scheer: Yeah, cause he just was like, Hey honey, like when did that happen?

[00:15:43] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, I mean I’m sure he had some, some leave at some point. Guys. You’re not gonna find holes in this movie. Yeah. Try as you might. It all adds up.

[00:15:52] Seth Grahame-Smith: But no, but she, but Monica Potter literally has a six pack.

[00:15:54] Paul Scheer: Yes. And it is, she is built.

[00:15:57] Jason Mantzoukas: And he leans down, he kisses it and goes something like, Oh baby girl, how’s our baby girl? Yeah. You know, and.

[00:16:03] Paul Scheer: He knew everything.

[00:16:04] Seth Grahame-Smith: And if you already know it’s a girl. Right? And so, so apparently with one hour into the pregnancy.

[00:16:11] Paul Scheer: And like, like, let’s put her in a pregnancy suit. It’s only one scene.

[00:16:14] Jason Mantzoukas: No way. Guys. This is a Jerry Bruckheimer movie. There’s nobody in a pregnancy suit, okay? These girls are, even if they are seven months pregnant, they are shredded.

[00:16:25] Paul Scheer: True. That’s a good point.

[00:16:28] Seth Grahame-Smith: But these, so these

[00:16:28] Jason Mantzoukas: She is nine months pregnant in that scene.

[00:16:32] Seth Grahame-Smith: So these two redneck guys at the bar, or two or three redneck guys at the bar.

[00:16:37] Jason Mantzoukas: There’s three, there’s three.

[00:16:38] Seth Grahame-Smith: They see a special forces guy. Now they’ve seen this waitress, Monica Potter, every night at this bar.

[00:16:43] Jason Mantzoukas: They know her name.

[00:16:44] Seth Grahame-Smith: They know her name. They’ve left her alone. Right? But tonight, they wait for her special forces, proudly serving this country, hero, to come back, And then they want to kill him.

[00:16:54] Jason Mantzoukas: They hate him, and they even go so far as to be like, it’s guys like you that are the reason we lost Vietnam.

[00:17:00] Seth Grahame-Smith: Right.

[00:17:02] Jason Mantzoukas: I was like, these guys, are these, like, Where are these guys coming at from? Like, what is their. Where are they at politically?

[00:17:09] Paul Scheer: That means that they think of him as being a weak, like, military guy. Yeah. ’cause they, they, by saying they lost Vietnam. They’re like, we want strong military. But you’re a pussy.

[00:17:19] Jason Mantzoukas: But you’re a pussy.

[00:17:19] Paul Scheer: Right? Yeah.

[00:17:20] Seth Grahame-Smith: I bet you you’re, I bet you never flame thrower to village full of children. you son of a bitch. I’ll teach you to come home from war. You asshole.

[00:17:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Without any, without a necklace of ears. Yeah.

[00:17:34] Paul Scheer: Alright, well, yeah. So they go ahead.

[00:17:36] Seth Grahame-Smith: So he fucks him up. Nicholas Cage. Like, he walks his pregnant, allegedly, wife out to the car and these three guys come at him to kill him.

[00:17:44] Jason Mantzoukas: In the rain, right?

[00:17:45] Seth Grahame-Smith: In the rain. In the, in the Mobile, Alabama, Alabama rain. And he kills one of them in self defense.

[00:17:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, it’s that thing, and it’s that thing that I love, and the, the, the, the, the, the police, no, the judge says it at his trial.

[00:17:58] Paul Scheer: Oh, I have that clip.

[00:17:59] Seth Grahame-Smith: Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:18:01] Jason Mantzoukas: But I love, and I love that, like, I feel like Nicholas Cage, like, all they said was, you’re a guy who’s always so, uh, up for justice, but you’re a deadly weapon.

[00:18:14] Seth Grahame-Smith: I don’t know if I have the exact quote, but it’s something like but it’s it’s something like you you’re you are not subject to the regular laws of the land because your body is a lethal weapon. A trained killing machine.

[00:18:25] Paul Scheer: Yes, right. Because he isn’t now that it’s not something that is true.

[00:18:28] Seth Grahame-Smith: That’s not true

[00:18:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Being being As it may be, that these men wanted to rape and murder your pregnant wife, you, as a special forces guy, are just too dangerous. You have to withhold.

[00:18:40] Seth Grahame-Smith: You gotta go to jail.

[00:18:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, you gotta go to jail for seven years.

[00:18:43] Seth Grahame-Smith: Another thing, too, we don’t see it in this clip, but.

[00:18:46] June Diane Raphael: Seven years.

[00:18:47] Seth Grahame-Smith: Seven years.

[00:18:49] June Diane Raphael: Seven years.

[00:18:50] Paul Scheer: Seven, yeah.

[00:18:50] Jason Mantzoukas: Did you think that was too long, June?

[00:18:52] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yeah.

[00:18:53] Paul Scheer: Did you think it was too long?

[00:18:55] June Diane Raphael: That’s way too long.

[00:18:56] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yeah, it’s way too long. It’s way too long. So, immediately before.

[00:19:04] Paul Scheer: If you’re not seeing it, June really is taking in the seven years, almost more than Nicolas Cage does.

[00:19:10] June Diane Raphael: Can I say one, can I say, can I say one thing? I also, I know I’ve expressed a couple fears I have. I, I It gets me so upset when people are incarcerated for too long or they’re, they go to jail and they shouldn’t. And, yeah, seven years is upsetting. It’s upsetting.

[00:19:31] Jason Mantzoukas: And that’s just for a fictional character.

[00:19:33] Paul Scheer: Right. That’s right.

[00:19:35] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, imagine, June, like, people in real life. I mean, Cameron.

[00:19:40] June Diane Raphael: No, I, believe me, I’ve watched.

[00:19:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Cameron Poe is a fictional character. You still do that podcast about maximum, uh, minimums, right? That is just about unjust prison sentences for small amounts of drugs?

[00:19:58] Seth Grahame-Smith: One of my theories about this movie, immediately preceding this courtroom scene, in which we learn that he’s a deadly weapon and therefore subject to a whole different legal system.

[00:20:05] Paul Scheer: Yes. Uh, not, and you would think that it would go the other way, saying, Hey, you’re an army ranger, we know that you wouldn’t use force unless.

[00:20:12] Seth Grahame-Smith: Right. But, but, I want, next time people watch this movie, just, the, the scene before this is Nicolas Cage sitting in the hallway of the court building with his lawyer. Yes. And his lawyer is like this sweaty, nervous wreck. Yeah. Who’s not, he’s like, shirt is disheveled and his hair is all fucked up. Yeah. And like, I think this is really.

[00:20:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, get a new lawyer.

[00:20:36] Seth Grahame-Smith: Right. You know you’re fucked when your lawyer cannot afford a coat.

[00:20:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, and by the way, when your lawyer. When you, in self defense, killed someone who was stepping up to, uh, uh, uh, you and your pregnant wife in self defense, kill someone, and he’s like, you should take the plea bargain.

[00:20:52] Seth Grahame-Smith: Plea! Take the plea!

[00:20:53] Jason Mantzoukas: You should, like I can’t handle this. It’s basically what his lawyer does, which is amazing. And I love it. There is something about, um, there’s something fantastic about a movie like this that is so testosterone driven and so much about like machismo and all this stuff that the lawyer is like, I can’t do it.

[00:21:19] Paul Scheer: But it’s like it’s like though. It’s like the lawyer from the wire like, you know, it’s like that like yeah, yeah.

[00:21:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Maurice Levy.

[00:21:25] Paul Scheer: Yeah. But I feel like wouldn’t this movie just to go out for a second and say but wouldn’t this movie be a way more interesting if he was a bad guy who then is like turned good and then he was tempted by the bad guys again and then like makes the right choice? Like that would at least give.

[00:21:44] June Diane Raphael: Well I do hear what you’re saying Paul because there was a part of me halfway through the movie that thought, I don’t think he wants to go home.

[00:21:52] Paul Scheer: You don’t think he wants.

[00:21:53] Jason Mantzoukas: June June can you hear me? It’s Jason, June. Can you hear me?

[00:21:57] June Diane Raphael: What’d you say, Jason?

[00:21:58] Jason Mantzoukas: At what point, specifically, did you think, he doesn’t want to go home? Cause he, I think.

[00:22:04] June Diane Raphael: Well, even.

[00:22:05] Paul Scheer: I would argue that the whole movie is him saying, I want to go home.

[00:22:09] June Diane Raphael: I disagree. I think that when, even when, even when he says, you know, I refuse to bring my daughter to the jail to see me, I would never want to see her, I would never want to have her see me in jail. It just doesn’t see, it’s, he’s such a martyr, that at, at a certain point, you have to ask yourself, does he want a relationship with these people?

[00:22:33] Seth Grahame-Smith: Well, there’s. It’s a good point.

[00:22:40] Jason Mantzoukas: I think he 100 percent does.

[00:22:42] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:22:44] Jason Mantzoukas: Like, he somehow managed, I don’t know how, in prison, to purchase a stuffed animal.

[00:22:52] Paul Scheer: Very, in the plastic bag, as if they sell cigarettes, toys.

[00:22:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.

[00:22:58] Paul Scheer: Uh, yeah, there’s not a convenience store in the local prison.

[00:23:02] Jason Mantzoukas: I assume, even if there is a convenience store, or some sort of place where you can buy stuff, Yep. At the, at prison. I, I’m finding it hard to believe that a plastic wrapped stuffed animal is amongst the choices. Go June.

[00:23:15] June Diane Raphael: But can I say one thing? Okay, this goes to what you were saying about the movie sort of glorifying um, masculinity and it’s so testosterone driven that I actually think, you know, when he does not get off that plane and he stays on it for his fellow man and to be a man, I think It’s in place of actually being a father to a child who needs him. So he does make the decision time and again to be this valiant hero as opposed to a father and a husband to the people who really need him at home.

[00:23:49] Seth Grahame-Smith: June, if I can interrupt you.

[00:23:52] June Diane Raphael: Thank you, guys.

[00:23:56] Seth Grahame-Smith: I’m a little fucked up right now because it’s almost like you’re saying this movie isn’t sending the right messages.

[00:24:04] June Diane Raphael: Well, by the way, if we’re going to talk about masculinity and how the movie treats masculinity, the gay character, the gay con, in the movie is, I couldn’t make this up, but is essentially his crime was being too gay.

[00:24:19] Jason Mantzoukas: A very respectful portrait of homosexuality.

[00:24:25] Paul Scheer: To the point of this movie, just, we were talking about this briefly backstage. Um, apparently this movie was rewritten every day on set. And I feel like every actor was like, yeah, and I’ll be this, and I’ll be that. Jerry Bruckheimer and Don Simpson used to make cocaine fueled movies.

[00:24:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes!

[00:24:41] Paul Scheer: And Don Simpson was like, no, I’m out on this one. He checked out. Yeah. He was like, no.

[00:24:45] Jason Mantzoukas: And, as such, And as such, Bruckheimer had twice as.

[00:24:47] Paul Scheer: But he did die before this was done.

[00:24:49] Seth Grahame-Smith: Really?

[00:24:50] Paul Scheer: Yes. He did, he did die, but this is.

[00:24:52] Seth Grahame-Smith: So a man, a man who died on the toilet, after doing untold numbers of amphetamines and, and who literally wore a leather race suit to the shoot of, uh, Days of Thunder and had himself photographed with Tom Cruise, this movie was too much for that guy.

[00:25:09] Paul Scheer: Not in, not in, he was out of that movie.

[00:25:12] Jason Mantzoukas: I would argue that, I’m assuming that Bruckheimer just then had twice as much coke. And as a result, made this movie. This, cause this movie is. In the best way, absolutely bonkers. Like, I know that I overused that, but this is it. And this is it on like 10.

[00:25:35] June Diane Raphael: You know what I, you know why I think it is, Jason? I know I said it was about, you know, there’s, there’s something exciting about seeing action in the air. But I think it’s also the added element of.

[00:25:47] Jason Mantzoukas: You love planes, June. You love planes.

[00:25:49] June Diane Raphael: I love a plane movie. I do love a plane movie.

[00:25:52] Paul Scheer: Surprisingly though, tell the audience how you feel about planes in real life.

[00:25:56] June Diane Raphael: I hate them.

[00:26:02] But I think that’s why. I think we’re all scared of planes. I mean it’s crazy that they fly us around and we’re just all up there together for that period of time. Not tethered to the ground. I mean, it’s insane.

[00:26:16] Jason Mantzoukas: So you’re talking now.

[00:26:17] June Diane Raphael: But then also combined with that, there’s also I think the movie taps into a real fear of prisons and prison culture and what it is to be, like, locked up. And the fact that the movie combines those two things together, it’s just, it’s just incredible.

[00:26:38] Paul Scheer: We haven’t even gotten to the plane taking off yet.

[00:26:40] June Diane Raphael: By the way, I do want to ask a genuine question I do not know the answer to. Are there really prison planes like this?

[00:26:50] Seth Grahame-Smith: Okay. Yes.

[00:26:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Okay. Yes. Now, now we’re getting somewhere.

[00:26:53] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yes. Although, although, the ones in real life go more than 200 feet in the air and more than 100 miles an hour, which.

[00:27:04] Paul Scheer: I was gonna say, this movie, if I don’t have a map But the sense that I got is this movie really just circles about 50 miles.

[00:27:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Right. Yeah.

[00:27:11] Paul Scheer: Like they’re never too far away. Everyone can drive to it

[00:27:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.

[00:27:15] Paul Scheer: And then they at the end of the movie choose to like Las Vegas

[00:27:19] Seth Grahame-Smith: Oh my god.

[00:27:19] Paul Scheer: Like they choose to crash into a hotel instead of go to the airport, which is.

[00:27:23] Jason Mantzoukas: They run out of fuel! Goddamn you! Goddamn you! Do not do this, man! Do not misrepresent this crew! MC Ganey is doing his best to land this plane. One of his engines is out. He’s out of fuel. He’s gotta land it on the strip.

[00:27:40] Paul Scheer: The Las Vegas International Airport is literally 1. 1 mile away from the Hard Rock Casino.

[00:27:47] Jason Mantzoukas: Paul, I don’t think you’re using literally correctly..

[00:27:53] Paul Scheer: 1. 1 mile, we can’t land there! We gotta take it down on the strip.

[00:27:59] Seth Grahame-Smith: On the strip! Arguably the busiest road in America.

[00:28:05] Paul Scheer: It’s not gonna end well. There’s desert on either side. They’ve already landed in desert.

[00:28:11] Seth Grahame-Smith: No, that’s the only place.

[00:28:12] Jason Mantzoukas: I would like to ask a question. Conservatively, how many people do you think died in the landing of that plane?

[00:28:21] Paul Scheer: Worse than Fast Five when they had that safe tied to the back of that car.

[00:28:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Uh, what I could only describe as a hilarious level of civilian deaths. Right. Must have happened. This is like Man of Steel level, uh, civilian deaths.

[00:28:40] Paul Scheer: This is the 9 11 of Las Vegas.

[00:28:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes. Yes. Where the New York, New York casino is hit hard. Hang on. Stay with me guys. Yes. The government did it.

[00:28:58] Paul Scheer: Um, There’s so many I just want to like, again, I just like, if you look at this movie you could argue that nothing Like, nothing, no characters arc in this movie at all there was no change from the beginning to the end Nic Cage’s just like, I wanna go home He got home.

[00:29:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep.

[00:29:18] Paul Scheer: There was no like, there was no, like, he just was always a good guy.

[00:29:22] Seth Grahame-Smith: Right.

[00:29:22] Paul Scheer: The, the bad guys, there’s no changes with them.

[00:29:26] Seth Grahame-Smith: Well they’re just dead at the end. Yeah.

[00:29:28] June Diane Raphael: Change for, and there is a change for John Cusack.

[00:29:31] Paul Scheer: Which is?

[00:29:33] June Diane Raphael: Well, I mean, I feel like he becomes an action star by the end of the movie.

[00:29:36] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, wait.

[00:29:37] June Diane Raphael: He does.

[00:29:37] Jason Mantzoukas: You mean john Cusack has changed, not his character.

[00:29:41] Seth Grahame-Smith: Not Vince Larkin, yeah.

[00:29:43] June Diane Raphael: That’s exactly right.

[00:29:44] Jason Mantzoukas: The only person who I think does change a little bit in an insignificant way, Colm Meany, he goes from being a prick to being like, I guess you’re okay.

[00:29:55] Paul Scheer: Again, in true Bruckheimer fashion, Colm Meany from Star Trek Deep Space Nine and Star Trek Next Generation comes in and is just an asshole from moment one.

[00:30:06] And he hates John Cusack, who’s a U. S. Marshal. Who we’ve only, only I know of U. S. Marshals as like, badasses. They’re not like.

[00:30:13] Jason Mantzoukas: I’m sorry, not if you’re in the DEA, bro. If you’re in the DEA, the U. S. Marshals are basically pussies.

[00:30:20] Paul Scheer: I saw the movie Yes.

[00:30:21] Seth Grahame-Smith: The first shot of John Cusack in this movie is of his feet. And he is wearing sandals with socks.

[00:30:28] Paul Scheer: Oh, I did not put that together. Okay.

[00:30:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Is that true?

[00:30:31] Seth Grahame-Smith: That is true. And there is another shot in Las Vegas. So he, arguably, doesn’t learn anything either. Right. Because at the end of the movie, he’s still wearing sandals with socks.

[00:30:40] Paul Scheer: And he rode the motorcycle with sandals and socks?

[00:30:41] Seth Grahame-Smith: He rode the motorcycle. And by the way, apparently, he flies an attack chopper. He knows how to do that.

[00:30:47] Paul Scheer: And he was able to drive wherever he got in that car, drove to the airfield in record time.

[00:30:52] Seth Grahame-Smith: In record time. Yeah. Uh, but uh, but no, but Colm Meany thinks from moment one that he’s a liberal pussy. At one point he says like, Where’s Larkin? Oh, he’s probably saving the fucking rainforest.

[00:31:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Larkin, who is like, I’m going to where they’re at, the bad guys are actually going. I have the information, I’m going there.

[00:31:11] Seth Grahame-Smith: No, I’m gonna chase the goddamn tourist plane.

[00:31:13] Jason Mantzoukas: And then Colm Meany gets distracted and then they try to call him and he’s like, Yeah, makes that like, he’s probably trying to save the rainforest. No! No, he told you where he’s going. You’re a terrible listener.

[00:31:24] Paul Scheer: What we understand of Larkin, or at least my knowledge of Larkin, is this guy’s like.

[00:31:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Larkin is John Cusack’s character?

[00:31:31] Paul Scheer: He’s like, I’m taking the world’s dangerous prisoners and putting them in a supermax jail. He’s not like, I’m putting them out on parole. Like, he’s just like, yeah. He’s for incarceration.

[00:31:44] June Diane Raphael: But I will say, if he he If John Cusack didn’t see them as human beings on any level, he would never have known to, you know, to really investigate Nicolas Cage’s character and find and, and assume that he, would have a chance with him. Like there, there was, he did believe on some level that prisoners can be rehabilitated and that they can do the right thing. He did.

[00:32:11] Jason Mantzoukas: No, I don’t think so. I think he, I think John Cusack only cared about his plane. John Cusack’s thing was that plane was his idea. Does that make sense?

[00:32:25] June Diane Raphael: I disagree.

[00:32:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Um, I think that John Cusack cares about this plane, and he’s like, Don’t shoot it down, that’s my plane. He only thinks of, um, Nicolas Cage when he realizes, Hey, I think we have an ally on this plane. I think it’s this guy. I think he knows he’s got a plane full of He’s only a means to an end. Maniacs, you know.

[00:32:47] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yeah, because in the beginning he says Cameron Poe is a nobody.

[00:32:49] June Diane Raphael: If he felt, I’m sorry, if he felt though that he had a plane full of maniacs, he would have no problem with that, um, DEA agent having a gun.

[00:32:57] Paul Scheer: Well, no, I think he was being smart. He was like, this is a plane full of insanos. Don’t put a gun in the mix.

[00:33:03] Jason Mantzoukas: No, that was then the same thing as he was like, and what he said was, it’s the same rules as prison. Nobody has guns. Yeah. You know, like, prison guards don’t have guns either.

[00:33:11] Seth Grahame-Smith: And by the way, the only reason that Colm Meany puts that DE agent on the plane, and he says it in the movie, is because It’s their last chance to get a confession from Sindino, the drug lord, before he gets into FBI custody.

[00:33:23] And Colm Meaney says, And I’ll be damned if those FBI bastards are gonna get the credit. So, he’s putting this guy’s life in danger and putting a gun on a plane full of insanos. Yeah. So that he can get the confession before the fucking FBI bastards get it.

[00:33:39] Paul Scheer: So basically the DEA is just pissed off at everybody.

[00:33:41] Seth Grahame-Smith: Everybody. Yeah.

[00:33:43] Jason Mantzoukas: You know how after 9 11 they were like, Wow, this is really the 9 11 podcast. They were like, Ah! None of our intelligence agencies talk to each other. They could have looked at this movie and known that. This movie is an illustration of how little our intelligence services are willing to work with each other.

[00:34:05] It is a scathing indictment.

[00:34:09] Seth Grahame-Smith: It was, ahead of its time.

[00:34:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Ah, God dammit. And it took Snowden? We had Con Air, guys! And it took Snowden?

[00:34:26] Paul Scheer: This movie, oh, alright. We’re not even in the air. I guess we are, we’re getting in the air. The other thing was, there is a, they are not putting weapons on the plane. But oddly, the entire belly of the plane is full of weapons. It’s like chock full. Yeah. Um, and at no point does like, when the prisoners take over the plane, do they go, Let’s go get that, like that boatload of weapons.

[00:34:52] Seth Grahame-Smith: At the very end, when they’re at Lerner Airfield. At the very end they do. Yeah. They break into the front of the plane and they get all those shotguns and then, uh, Cyrus the Virus makes his little Coke can map. Remember, he’s like General MacArthur in the Philippines, like.

[00:35:04] Jason Mantzoukas: They do so much in those 12, 10 to 12 minutes.

[00:35:06] Seth Grahame-Smith: It is unbelievable, which, by the way, 10 to 12 minutes, Ving Rhames gets up to the top, and he looks out into the desert, and he sees the dust plume of the cars, the, uh, the approaching, and he goes, they’re 10 to 12 minutes away. Like, he just fucking eyeballs it.

[00:35:19] Jason Mantzoukas: They dig the.

[00:35:20] Seth Grahame-Smith: They’re 10 to 12 minutes away.

[00:35:21] Jason Mantzoukas: They dig the plane out. Yep.

[00:35:23] Paul Scheer: 13 to 17 minutes.

[00:35:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Tie ropes around the plane, they pull the plane out, they find a tractor, they attach it to the plane, they, they have time to build propane tank bombs, everybody gets it, they do conservatively three days worth of work.

[00:35:38] Seth Grahame-Smith: Correct!

[00:35:39] Jason Mantzoukas: In those ten to twelve minutes.

[00:35:41] Seth Grahame-Smith: And to my point, Cyrus makes a two scale map of the entire airfield.

[00:35:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes, yes.

[00:35:46] Paul Scheer: And by the way, the plan was not that intense. He didn’t need to make that much of it.

[00:35:49] Jason Mantzoukas: He didn’t need to make it. He could have just been like, he could have just pointed at the thing and been like right here is where we’re gonna do it. He didn’t need to assemble any of that.

[00:35:57] Paul Scheer: It wasn’t like the Back to the Future model where Doc had to show Marty like how it all would have to work.

[00:36:02] Seth Grahame-Smith: And then the cops drive in at like four miles an hour in single file and there’s this huge vast desert. And they drive through the only bottleneck in the entire, like, for miles!

[00:36:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Why? Why? Why? Why would you do it? Why? You have to know it’s a trap. Come on. Still so good, though. You would think You would think that frustration would make it That frustration would make it, uh, not fun to watch. In fact, the opposite is true. This is some sort of trap. This movie is some sort of perfect elixir. Where everything just is perfect.

[00:36:41] Paul Scheer: What if the plane like pulling the plane out of the dirt, I don’t think the plane’s gonna just take off again, either. Like, that just didn’t seem like that plane was grounded.

[00:36:51] Seth Grahame-Smith: No, you’re wrong. I’m an aviation expert.

[00:36:53] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:36:53] Seth Grahame-Smith: And it’s fine. It works. It’s great.

[00:36:58] Paul Scheer: And meanwhile, Steve Buscemi.

[00:37:00] Seth Grahame-Smith: Oh my god.

[00:37:06] Paul Scheer: I mean this movie.

[00:37:08] Seth Grahame-Smith: Garland Green. The Marietta Mangler. With Nic Cage’s accent, by the way, when he gets, when Garland Green gets on the plane, and uh, with that accent he goes, uh, The Marietta Mangler. Uh, when he sees him. So Garland Green goes over to a trailer park, Uh, somewhere in the desert, and.

[00:37:26] Paul Scheer: Well, yeah, the trailer park that’s attached to an abandoned airfield Like, again, the geography in this movie is like, wait, what? It looks like there’s nothing there.

[00:37:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Hey, hey, guys, some people in America, you know what? They’re down on their luck, they’re having a hard time. They live near an abandoned airplane graveyard slash small plane strip. They let their kids hang out in empty pools. And if a plane crashes next door, nobody notices.

[00:37:57] Paul Scheer: No one leaves their trailer when a jet, arguably the biggest thing that’s ever happened.

[00:38:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I will just say this, and I will say it again, five stars.

[00:38:06] Seth Grahame-Smith: But, okay, so, here’s the thing. Serious question, cause honestly the film never resolves this issue. Right. Which I find disturbing too.

[00:38:13] Jason Mantzoukas: I bet it does.

[00:38:14] Seth Grahame-Smith: Uh, well. So this little girl is playing, um, and she’s out there in the abandoned pool and she is filthy. And her playground is filthy.

[00:38:23] Paul Scheer: I wrote that she looks like somebody out of the depression. Right. Like literally, like, like she is out of the dust bowl.

[00:38:30] Seth Grahame-Smith: Straight up, yes. Straight up Dickensian orphan.

[00:38:33] June Diane Raphael: Because here’s what’s weird, sorry to interrupt, but in terms of her look, She does look like she was put together at one point. Like she looks like she got dressed up fifty years ago.

[00:38:44] Seth Grahame-Smith: Right!

[00:38:47] June Diane Raphael: It’s very strange.

[00:38:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Do you think she’s a ghost?

[00:38:52] June Diane Raphael: I don’t know.

[00:38:56] Jason Mantzoukas: I, I, I found this, uh, interaction to be very compelling.

[00:39:03] Seth Grahame-Smith: Oh, it’s compelling! It’s absolutely compelling. And by the way, there’s.

[00:39:06] Jason Mantzoukas: This was a more believable love story than Nicolas Cage and Monica Potter.

[00:39:12] Paul Scheer: But wait, but here’s the thing. Here’s the thing, I don’t know what he’s really even guilty of, like he’s wearing the Hannibal Lecter.

[00:39:18] Jason Mantzoukas: He murdered, he massacred 30 people, they say.

[00:39:22] Paul Scheer: Right, but it seems like, as he tells us, he wore one person’s head as a hat.

[00:39:28] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes.

[00:39:28] Seth Grahame-Smith: For three states.

[00:39:29] Paul Scheer: For three states.

[00:39:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Three states.

[00:39:31] Paul Scheer: That seems.

[00:39:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Do you know how hard that would be? Do you know how hard it would be to wear someone’s head as a hat?

[00:39:39] Paul Scheer: Even the balancing of it would be a difficult proposition.

[00:39:42] Jason Mantzoukas: It would be heavy. You would need something as a chinstrap, I think.

[00:39:48] Paul Scheer: Maybe a tongue.

[00:39:49] Jason Mantzoukas: And where would you, or maybe their hair? If it was a woman who had long hair, you could use her hair to tie it under your chin, maybe.

[00:40:01] Paul Scheer: If you had the appropriate amount of scrunchies.

[00:40:03] Jason Mantzoukas: A guy’s head, good luck. What? You’re like, jauntily putting it atop your head?

[00:40:08] Paul Scheer: Unless he killed like, unless he killed like a 90, like an 80’s metal band or something. Like if he killed a member of Poison, that hair would work too.

[00:40:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, no, you’re probably right.

[00:40:19] Paul Scheer: Alright, so go ahead. So go ahead.

[00:40:20] Seth Grahame-Smith: No, I’m just saying. Okay.

[00:40:21] Paul Scheer: So, so he meets this girl in the pool.

[00:40:22] Seth Grahame-Smith: He meets this girl in the pool, the little girl, and they start singing together, right?

[00:40:25] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:40:26] Seth Grahame-Smith: And the whole world in his hands. And we’re obviously meant to think something terrible and ominous happens. Yes, because we cut back and there’s a broken teacup and her doll is there alone and she’s nowhere to be seen. And yet, and yet, when the plane finally takes off. They cut to the little girl running out of her trailer, waving goodbye, goodbye to the airplane.

[00:40:48] Jason Mantzoukas: She says goodbye, Bob.

[00:40:50] Paul Scheer: That’s his name.

[00:40:52] Jason Mantzoukas: He, like, he was like, you know what? I’m not gonna tell this little girl my real name. I’ll just tell her my name is Bob.

[00:41:00] Seth Grahame-Smith: I just want to say, the last thing about Garland Green is, if there’s any doubt about where this film’s morals are, and what the message is, Garland Green is the only person in the film who truly gets off scott free and who’s truly way better off at the end of the movie.

[00:41:16] Paul Scheer: Well true, but he’s the most dangerous I would argue.

[00:41:19] Jason Mantzoukas: Or he’s not, because he is the one that we see, he’s the only criminal we see not engage in his criminal behavior.

[00:41:31] June Diane Raphael: Maybe he was wrongly accused.

[00:41:33] Jason Mantzoukas: No, he was, I don’t think.

[00:41:34] Paul Scheer: No, he admitted.

[00:41:35] Jason Mantzoukas: June.

[00:41:36] Paul Scheer: June.

[00:41:36] Seth Grahame-Smith: He admitted to that.

[00:41:36] June Diane Raphael: I don’t know.

[00:41:38] Paul Scheer: June, he admitted. He admitted. He admitted to wearing a person’s head on his own head. He was not in there under false pretense.

[00:41:51] Jason Mantzoukas: June.

[00:41:53] June Diane Raphael: I don’t know. I haven’t seen. I don’t know anything about those cases.

[00:41:58] Paul Scheer: June does not know anything about the cases.

[00:42:00] Jason Mantzoukas: You can go through the case files, June. I’m pretty sure. Oh my god! That is unbelievable. That he was wrongfully accused is like like, I would love to see that.

[00:42:17] Paul Scheer: Also self defense. He just happened to cut somebody’s head off and wear it like a hat.

[00:42:22] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.

[00:42:23] June Diane Raphael: Because here’s the weird thing, I will say this.

[00:42:26] Jason Mantzoukas: Like Robert Durst.

[00:42:27] June Diane Raphael: No, but it’s interesting because he doesn’t, he does not kill that little girl. And if he’s that much of a, like, serial murderer, it would seem that he would need to kill her more than he would need to get back on that plane.

[00:42:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Well, I think this is my conjecture, is that he is, Um, because he says, I mean, he does say something that, uh, uh, uh, um, he has that whole riff about those that killed, like Bundy and Gacy killed for the thrill of killing and some of, but other people kill only when they are pushed to kill or whatever.

[00:43:01] And that is like Robert Durst, uh, you know, like somebody says in that the same thing, like when, when pushed to a corner, I think Robert Durst is capable of murder. I think he didn’t kill that little girl because he, that’s not his deal, man.

[00:43:15] Paul Scheer: Then why have that scene in the movie?

[00:43:17] Jason Mantzoukas: To make you afraid he’s gonna. And then it’s like, oh, he didn’t. What a sweetheart.

[00:43:24] Paul Scheer: But if he was given, but if he was given his deal. Whatever that was, like 80s, uh, you know, punk rock, or, you know, rock bands, and he was in a situation, would he have then killed, like, if, if it was the person, it’s his deal.

[00:43:36] Jason Mantzoukas: I don’t know. Maybe.

[00:43:37] Audience Member: What?

[00:43:44] Paul Scheer: The one thing, the one thing I can say.

[00:43:46] Jason Mantzoukas: That person is freaking out. Are you okay?

[00:43:52] Paul Scheer: We have so much, I mean, we do have so much to talk about.

[00:43:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, man, I want to talk so much more about this movie! I would roll right through the next show just talking about this movie.

[00:44:04] Paul Scheer: We barely got to the surface.

[00:44:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Guys, shut up. We can’t do that.

[00:44:08] Seth Grahame-Smith: Can we talk about, really quick, can we talk about the reason that Cameron Poe does stay on the plane, which is Baby O. Played by McKel McKelty Williamson.

[00:44:15] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:44:16] Seth Grahame-Smith: Right? Uh, who we know famously as Bubba Gump. Or Bubba, Bubba, Bubba Blue.

[00:44:22] Paul Scheer: Yeah, I didn’t even know his last name. Bubba. The guy who likes shrimp. Um. The guy who launched a thousand Bubba Gump restaurants.

[00:44:31] Seth Grahame-Smith: So, uh, so they meet in prison. Their cellmate’s in prison. And they bond over, uh, Uh, Nic Cage gives him a, like a ho ho or a snow, uh, snowball, snowball. And then we learn, and he like takes it and they’re like, We’re friends now.

[00:44:47] Paul Scheer: And, And he like runs the library.

[00:44:50] Seth Grahame-Smith: And he runs the library. But then we learn he’s diabetic.

[00:44:53] Paul Scheer: Oh, wow. Wow. That just blew my mind. He essentially almost, He almost killed him.

[00:45:03] Seth Grahame-Smith: Almost killed him.

[00:45:04] Paul Scheer: And then maybe that’s why he has to stay on.

[00:45:06] Seth Grahame-Smith: He has to save his life. So that’s what I’m saying. I also want to point out the fact that.

[00:45:09] Paul Scheer: And why was he even on that plane?

[00:45:11] Seth Grahame-Smith: Because they were both getting.

[00:45:11] Jason Mantzoukas: They were moving him.

[00:45:12] Seth Grahame-Smith: They were moving him.

[00:45:14] Paul Scheer: But they’re, like, I just, to me that, the logic of this is weird, is like, we’re taking the most dangerous criminals.

[00:45:19] Seth Grahame-Smith: Right.

[00:45:19] Paul Scheer: And putting them in a Supermax jail, but then we’ll also, like, take this guy, who only seemed to live, like, not that far away, uh, like, we’re going to put you on the plane.

[00:45:32] Jason Mantzoukas: Appears to be that, because they’re moving them to a brand new prison that they’ve built. So they’re saying, this prison is all of the most dangerous, the most deadly, the guys who have Nicnames, and this guy, and this guy over here, and the guy that murdered all these people, and um, this guy too. Like, and Nicolas Cage’s roommate, Nicolas Cage and his roommate are meaningless to the plane. They don’t need, they’re barely, but what is that prison? Is it just going to be like, hundreds and hundreds of the deadliest, and then, baby o?

[00:46:04] Seth Grahame-Smith: Right.

[00:46:05] Paul Scheer: That’s what I was saying. Just him, like, well. That’s what didn’t make any sense.

[00:46:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Perfectly nice guy.

[00:46:09] Seth Grahame-Smith: But, every prison, every prison needs a library. He was brought in as a librarian in residence.

[00:46:17] June Diane Raphael: The other question too is, why not just make a couple of trips?

[00:46:21] Seth Grahame-Smith: Right.

[00:46:22] Paul Scheer: Well yeah, this one, this plane was making layovers.

[00:46:24] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, there were stops.

[00:46:25] Seth Grahame-Smith: Right.

[00:46:26] Jason Mantzoukas: There were stops.

[00:46:26] Paul Scheer: Like, and again, Nicolas. Oh yeah, he, I’m trying to think, He, when that plane does do the layover, He wasn’t even getting out there.

[00:46:35] Jason Mantzoukas: No, he wasn’t.

[00:46:36] Seth Grahame-Smith: That was in Carson City, where they loaded on Garland.

[00:46:39] June Diane Raphael: He doesn’t really want to go. He doesn’t want to go home.

[00:46:41] Seth Grahame-Smith: But he couldn’t leave Baby O. He can’t leave a man behind. That’s the ranger creed. Which actually, I don’t know if that’s the range we’re good. But, that, that perfect, that like, weirdly, uh, perfect sandstorm that’s going on.

[00:46:57] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[00:46:57] Seth Grahame-Smith: Which we don’t even need to get into.

[00:46:58] Paul Scheer: Which is great, because, oh, there’s a sandstorm that is perfect.

[00:47:01] Seth Grahame-Smith: Right.

[00:47:02] Paul Scheer: Well, again, landing a plane in a sandstorm seems I would say unadvisable, uh, and, and hard for MC Ganey who appears to have a hard time landing any other time but in a sandstorm. The hardest thing, he’s like.

[00:47:17] Seth Grahame-Smith: He’s a very capable pilot.

[00:47:19] Paul Scheer: Yeah, but when it was in that airfield, that was a big mess.

[00:47:23] Seth Grahame-Smith: Uh, but, uh, but I just also want to point out, this is McKelty Williamson Bubba, when he gets shot, right, there is a scene where he lay dying in Nicholas Cage’s arms. Um, that is almost exactly the same scene that he has with Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump. It is him literally going like, I don’t think I’m gonna make it. And literally the second time in three years that he has had to die in the arms of a feeble minded southern man.

[00:48:01] There’s also a thing that he says in that he goes, out of nowhere, this religious component comes into the movie in that one moment. When he’s dying in Nic Cage’s arms, he goes, He goes, all I can think about is that there is no God. Out of nowhere! Yeah. And then, and then Nic Cage goes, He stands up and he goes, Where you going? He goes, I’m gonna show you that there is a God. And then he fights his way to the front of the plane like effortlessly. He gets shot.

[00:48:30] Paul Scheer: He gets shot. He doesn’t flinch.

[00:48:32] Seth Grahame-Smith: He doesn’t flinch.

[00:48:33] Paul Scheer: Like, it didn’t even bother him.

[00:48:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Do you know why? Because God is on his side.

[00:48:39] Paul Scheer: Correct.

[00:48:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Because he was right. This movie proves the existence of God. Can there be any other answer?

[00:48:50] Paul Scheer: I also, can we just, I want to talk about the score for a second too. Which, and lack of it, which was like, the fight scenes are not, like the score that you would think of like a, like an action fight scene, it’s not that. It’s kind of like this slow kind of electric guitar that seems to be, as if a person, they were like, Yeah, just score it and we’ll put it in later. You don’t need to see the movie. It just, it doesn’t, It doesn’t match at all.

[00:49:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Noodle around on a guitar as a temp track. We’ll put it in. We accidentally put the movie out.

[00:49:20] Paul Scheer: Yeah, cause it, it’s like, It’s like the um, The way I thought of it was like, I know it’s an obscure reference, but like In Lethal Weapon, in the in between scenes When like Murtaugh and Rigg are talking, they’re like.

[00:49:35] Seth Grahame-Smith: It’s Clapton. Clapton.

[00:49:36] Paul Scheer: Yeah, like that Clapton stuff. That’s going on during like, BABABABABABA BAM BAM BAM Like, it’s not fitting at all. It’s way too relaxed.

[00:49:44] Jason Mantzoukas: You say that, except it fits perfectly into what is arguably one of the greatest movies ever made.

[00:49:52] Paul Scheer: Let’s, um, we’re gonna be able to keep on talking about it, but let’s go out to the audience here. And the audience, I’m sure, will have some questions. Uh, because we need to give them some answers. And tonight, if you have a good question, you will get a toy from our friends at Mezco Toys. Mezco Toys gave us some toys. That box is heavy, so I’m gonna have to run back and get you some toys. All right.

[00:50:19] June Diane Raphael: Oh, great.

[00:50:21] Paul Scheer: June is now looking at the audience. All right, and the audience is waving to June. All right, June. Alright, here we go. Alright, here’s a question, here’s a question. Yeah, right here. Your name, uh, a tagline that you would give this movie, and your question. Here we go.

[00:50:36] Audience Member: Uh, my name’s Holly. The tagline is, the greatest movie in history.

[00:50:40] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s fucking right on it is.

[00:50:43] Audience Member: And I actually have two comments. One, two. Two. Um, one is, am I supposed to find Nic Cage attractive in this movie? Because there’s a lot of shots that tell me I’m supposed to but I don’t.

[00:50:56] Paul Scheer: June, could you hear that?

[00:50:58] June Diane Raphael: I couldn’t hear the last part. I’m sorry. I only heard, am I supposed to find Nic Cage attractive?

[00:51:02] Paul Scheer: That’s it. So are you?

[00:51:04] June Diane Raphael: That.

[00:51:05] Jason Mantzoukas: What do you think, June?

[00:51:06] June Diane Raphael: I don’t think so.

[00:51:10] Jason Mantzoukas: Strong disagree. He is the hunkiest of hunks. You know how I know? Tank top muscles, hair. TMH, guys. TMH.

[00:51:25] Paul Scheer: Um, okay, your second comment.

[00:51:27] Audience Member: My second comment is and I’m not a physics person, but I’m fairly certain you wouldn’t be able to read the message on, uh, Dave Chappelle’s shirt when he hit the car.

[00:51:38] Paul Scheer: Very good point. In this movie, we, we have jumped out of a big plot point. They drop Dave Chappelle out of the airplane, and, uh, and, but before they do.

[00:51:48] Jason Mantzoukas: He’s dead. He’s dead already.

[00:51:50] Paul Scheer: He’s dead. But before they do, they write a magic marker on his chest. And then let him go, uh, thousands of feet.

[00:51:57] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, no. If he, if that happened in real life, he would legitimately explode into tiny bits. He would like explode like a, like a water balloon.

[00:52:06] Paul Scheer: I, I saw, I saw someone.

[00:52:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Boom, boom, boom.

[00:52:09] Paul Scheer: I was in New York City when someone jumped off the Harley Davidson Cafe. And that was maybe like.

[00:52:14] Jason Mantzoukas: Legitimate though. If I was at the Harley Davidson Cafe, I’d be like, I don’t know why I’m here. I got one way out.

[00:52:25] Paul Scheer: Yeah, you’re right. They were able to read. They read his lettering similarly to like in Die Hard, where they write on the guy’s chest. But this guy dropped from 5, 000.

[00:52:35] Seth Grahame-Smith: I’d also like to take this opportunity to point out.

[00:52:37] Paul Scheer: Alright, here we go. We got another question out here. Ma’am, your name, your slogan, or tagline for the film, and your question.

[00:52:46] Audience Member: Okay, uh, my name is Daphne. Um, my tagline would be, Before Angry Birds, Con Air.

[00:52:55] Paul Scheer: I like it.

[00:52:55] Jason Mantzoukas: I like that. Yeah.

[00:52:57] Audience Member: Okay, my question is, when they introduced Um, John Malkovich, AKA Cyrus the Virus, they say he’s 39, and he spent 25 years in prison, which means he would have had to gone to jail when he was 14.

[00:53:11] Jason Mantzoukas: He, no, they said he had spent 25 of them in our prisons. So on and off, on and off, on and off, I think.

[00:53:20] Audience Member: Yeah, but then he would have had time off, and so what? He went to jail when he was 3?

[00:53:24] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, yeah. Yeah, Daphne. Like, you say that like it’s impossible, but he’s the bad guy? Doy.

[00:53:40] Paul Scheer: John Malkovich would refuse to do press for this movie, uh, because he did not know what What his character was doing, or what his character ended up doing. Based on what he shot.

[00:53:53] Jason Mantzoukas: But is that true?

[00:53:56] Paul Scheer: Yes. John Malkovich and.

[00:54:00] Jason Mantzoukas: The idea that you could do an entire movie and be like, I don’t know what my character was doing. I don’t know what my character did. I don’t know what has happened in this movie. It’s amazing. When you are one of the main people. That’s amazing.

[00:54:16] Seth Grahame-Smith: He has though, I will give him this. He has I don’t think this is up for debate. Maybe the. No, the greatest villain death of all time in this movie.

[00:54:24] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s a pretty good one.

[00:54:25] Seth Grahame-Smith: And it’s a four parter. It’s a four parter.

[00:54:27] Paul Scheer: Ooh, yeah, let’s talk about that.

[00:54:28] Seth Grahame-Smith: One, by the end, he’s up on a ladder. He’s been handcuffed to a ladder on a moving ladder truck.

[00:54:33] Jason Mantzoukas: Because after there are airplane chases, helicopter chases, car chases, dump truck chases, there’s a fire truck chase.

[00:54:40] Seth Grahame-Smith: Correct.

[00:54:41] Paul Scheer: Oh, and by the way, They get off the strip and into a very industrial facility. June, what do you think that was?

[00:54:49] Jason Mantzoukas: Bond movie too that we did? It also had a firetruck chase, right?

[00:54:52] Paul Scheer: Yes, it did.

[00:54:53] June Diane Raphael: But why, question, why not just get into the sort of car part of the firetruck? Why was he hanging off the ladder?

[00:55:01] Jason Mantzoukas: Unclear.

[00:55:03] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yeah.

[00:55:05] Jason Mantzoukas: I would argue Because it’s cooler.

[00:55:07] Seth Grahame-Smith: It is cooler, yeah.

[00:55:10] Jason Mantzoukas: You know, like, uh, I’m the cool guy, so I’m not gonna ride up front with MC Gainey. It’s the same reason he doesn’t spend a lot of time in the cockpit of the plane. It’s for dorks.

[00:55:21] Paul Scheer: It’s like Teen Wolf. When he’s driving that van, he’s gotta surf from the top.

[00:55:25] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, when you’re the cool dude, you don’t ride in the cab or the cockpit. You ride either atop or in the back of whatever.

[00:55:37] Paul Scheer: But, uh, so yeah, he did have a four part death, which then ends, yeah, go ahead, Seth.

[00:55:41] Seth Grahame-Smith: Well, he, yeah, so he, uh, my recollection is he gets, he’s on the ladder, the ladder drives through some kind of, uh, In between casino landbridge, and he’s thrown through the structure. Then he lands on, somehow, inexplicably, uh, power wires.

[00:55:56] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes!

[00:55:57] Seth Grahame-Smith: And he’s, he’s fried, but then he lands, comes down off the power wires, and lands on a conveyor belt in an abandoned construction site in which all the machinery is still going.

[00:56:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Still going. And this is, this is within throwing distance of the strip.

[00:56:11] Seth Grahame-Smith: Of the strip. Correct. And then there’s one of those, like, earth flattening, giant hydraulic hammers, so he slowly rolls off the conveyor, then is dumped in a pile of rocks, then looks around like, whoop, what’s going on? And looks up, and then he gets flattened.

[00:56:28] But it is, I mean, it’s truly, but, what, the testament to this movie is, and by the way, that firetruck, uh, crashes because a, an armored car star stalls for no reason in the middle of the strip at precisely the right time. It’s a testament to the logic of this movie that you’re like, oh, that could happen.

[00:56:46] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah.

[00:56:46] Paul Scheer: Well, that’s what I’m saying. When I watch this movie again, I was like, I enjoyed this. And then I’m like, what? Wait, what did I just watch? None of it holds up.

[00:56:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Except it all holds up.

[00:56:58] Paul Scheer: Is that dear? Is that? You seem like you’re standing here. Alright, who has a good question? Well, let’s only take one question. You, sir, come over here. One question, one question. Yeah, come on. Here you go. Good, I picked the right person. Sir, your name, your tagline for this movie, and your question.

[00:57:14] Audience Member: My name is Justin.

[00:57:15] Paul Scheer: Welcome, Justin.

[00:57:15] Audience Member: Thank you. Uh, the tagline’s actually my friend’s idea. It’s Nicholas Uncaged.

[00:57:19] Paul Scheer: Ooh. Like that. Really like that one.

[00:57:22] Jason Mantzoukas: That works really well.

[00:57:24] Audience Member: I was wondering, you guys touched on it earlier, could you argue that Steve Buscemi’s character with the little girl, that little girl was actually a figment of his imagination? She doesn’t interact with anyone else.

[00:57:32] Seth Grahame-Smith: I mean, I, I pray to God that she was.

[00:57:34] Jason Mantzoukas: No.

[00:57:35] Paul Scheer: Well, no, cause the figment wouldn’t wave goodbye. I don’t know.

[00:57:40] Jason Mantzoukas: She has her own shot.

[00:57:42] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yeah.

[00:57:42] Jason Mantzoukas: She has a shot where she exists alone in the shot, so I don’t think that would work.

[00:57:47] Paul Scheer: But, you could also argue the filmmaking of this movie would not pay any attention to that kind of.

[00:57:52] Jason Mantzoukas: True.

[00:57:52] Paul Scheer: Logic.

[00:57:53] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yeah.

[00:57:53] Paul Scheer: So, it’s open to interpretation that this could have been a ghost.

[00:57:58] Jason Mantzoukas: Or a figment of his magic, yeah. I mean, you could argue the whole movie could be. Wow, okay, let’s unravel this. The whole movie could exist in the head of an autistic kid.

[00:58:13] Paul Scheer: Which is Nicolas Cage’s daughter.

[00:58:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Correct.

[00:58:16] Paul Scheer: Which we don’t know.

[00:58:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Casey.

[00:58:17] Seth Grahame-Smith: No, absolutely.

[00:58:18] Jason Mantzoukas: Casey. Who then gets a little bit older. And, oh no, it was a little boy that was saying elsewhere.

[00:58:24] Seth Grahame-Smith: No, but here’s, but, but in jail, Nicholas Cage is trading letters with Casey.

[00:58:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Yup.

[00:58:30] Seth Grahame-Smith: And he says, I can’t wait to get home and do all the things that we love doing together again. They haven’t done anything together.

[00:58:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, does he say that?

[00:58:38] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yes!

[00:58:38] Paul Scheer: Yes! And Casey, Casey is writing full on letters.

[00:58:42] Jason Mantzoukas: This could be a Jacob’s Ladder movie. He might get killed by the three thugs at the beginning of the movie in the rainstorm.

[00:58:50] Seth Grahame-Smith: 100 percent what happens.

[00:58:51] Jason Mantzoukas: And the whole movie is the last moment of his life.

[00:58:55] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yeah.

[00:58:55] Jason Mantzoukas: Imagining the hero’s journey that he might have gone on.

[00:58:58] Seth Grahame-Smith: I just want to just call out, before we move on to the next question, I just want to call out that Casey at the end of the movie, there is a shot, and please go and watch this. She is terrified.

[00:59:08] Jason Mantzoukas: Terrified!

[00:59:09] Paul Scheer: Yes!

[00:59:09] Seth Grahame-Smith: She is terrified of Nicolas Cage.

[00:59:12] Jason Mantzoukas: Why?

[00:59:12] June Diane Raphael: She is.

[00:59:13] Jason Mantzoukas: Because he looks. He’s covered in blood.

[00:59:16] Seth Grahame-Smith: He’s a maniac!

[00:59:18] Jason Mantzoukas: He’s covered in blood. He is a maniac. He looks like he just has killed a lot of people, which is what he’s done.

[00:59:25] Paul Scheer: And he also, like, goes to grab at her pretty

[00:59:28] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yes.

[00:59:28] Paul Scheer: Does he grab at her right away, or is that maybe?

[00:59:30] Seth Grahame-Smith: No, he tries to give her the bunny that he fished out of the sewer.

[00:59:34] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[00:59:35] Jason Mantzoukas: Yes!

[00:59:36] Paul Scheer: Sewer bunny.

[00:59:37] Jason Mantzoukas: The bunny went down a sewer drain. And he’s like, I got this for you.

[00:59:44] June Diane Raphael: Paul?

[00:59:44] Paul Scheer: Yes?

[00:59:44] June Diane Raphael: Sorry, I’m having trouble hearing now, I think I should sign off.

[00:59:48] Seth Grahame-Smith: Bye june!

[00:59:51] June Diane Raphael: I hope this was okay, bye.

[00:59:55] Seth Grahame-Smith: Can we talk about, uh, uh, the drug dealer’s, uh, death scene with Cy?

[01:00:00] Paul Scheer: Oh yeah!

[01:00:01] Seth Grahame-Smith: Remember this? There are two awesome lines in this movie I just want to acknowledge really quickly. One is, He goes, Cy and Malkovich goes, Inara.

[01:00:12] Paul Scheer: He says it so quick, that it makes me feel like he’s done it a lot. Like that, like Cyrus the Virus is like, this is my thing, when I kill people, I go Inara.

[01:00:22] Jason Mantzoukas: The drug dealer is in the middle of saying Cyrus.

[01:00:25] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yeah.

[01:00:25] Jason Mantzoukas: But he only gets The first bit outside. Yeah. And Malkovich completes it with onara.

[01:00:33] Seth Grahame-Smith: Yeah.

[01:00:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Which, and then throws, um, a, a cigarette. Yeah. That ignites the, the drug dealer, aflame.

[01:00:39] Seth Grahame-Smith: The other thing. And that’s Sandino’s death, by the way. Yeah. Sandino the drug dealer. The other, my other favorite bit of dialogue in this whole movie is also in relation to Sandino’s character, and it’s, and the most incredible line of expository dialogue.

[01:00:52] And it’s spoken by Nicholas Cage and he goes, he’s saying to Cyrus. How well do you know this Sindino? I don’t know him that well myself. Just what I read. Like how he firebombed that senator’s yacht with two of his own cousins aboard. That’s the line! And it’s so incredibly specific, like, we’re supposed to believe this dude is hardcore because he firebombed a senator’s yacht with two of his own. I want to see that movie.

[01:01:17] Jason Mantzoukas: And this movie, this movie was not nominated for an Academy Award for Best Screenplay.

[01:01:22] Paul Scheer: But it was for Best Song. For Best Song, it was. Which we’ll play that video. Um, I will also say this. I feel like there is a knowledge of all these criminals and all of them had Nicnames. As a person who I feel like I’m illiterate to the news, I don’t know that many criminals with that many Nicnames.

[01:01:40] I feel like that was a lot of, uh.

[01:01:41] Jason Mantzoukas: Michael Ali. Chemical Olly, that’s all I got.

[01:01:48] Paul Scheer: Like even Robert, Robert Durst doesn’t have like.

[01:01:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Ooh, let’s come up with one.

[01:01:52] Seth Grahame-Smith: The Jinx, the Jinx.

[01:01:53] Paul Scheer: The Jinx, should we call him, was he called the Jinx?

[01:01:54] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s like a super villain.

[01:01:55] Seth Grahame-Smith: Blinky, Blinky, he’s Blinky.

[01:01:57] Paul Scheer: Um, alright, your name, your.

[01:01:59] Jason Mantzoukas: But I would like it if we gave our, our, our cultural villains more Nicnames. I think that’s a really good point.

[01:02:05] Paul Scheer: Like Pinball. Okay, yes, Dave Chappelle’s character. Uh, your name, your, uh, tagline, and your question.

[01:02:12] Audience Member: My name is Julie. The tagline would be ConHair, for the mullet, obviously. Uh, my question is, when they show the little hanger where Sandino’s hidden the plane, where he’s hiding it, they zoom in on a box, they open the box, and it has onions and chicken feet in it. But nobody ever addresses it, it’s like some sort of weird symbolism, but why?

[01:02:30] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, it’s because the box is a first aid kit. It’s a first aid kit, and he’s looking for the needle, so he’s like, oh, yeah, first aid kit. He opens it, and it’s onions and whatnot.

[01:02:38] Seth Grahame-Smith: Which I love, the set dresser’s like, what can we put in here that’s not, that’s better than empty?

[01:02:46] Paul Scheer: And by the way, he’s pulled out, like some witchcraft is going on there.

[01:02:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Fill it full of stuff for Santeria.

[01:03:00] Paul Scheer: And by the way, finding that syringe, that syringe. I mean that was a, I mean that was a great journey too.

[01:03:05] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah.

[01:03:06] Paul Scheer: Uh, here you go, your question. Okay, your name, your tagline, your question.

[01:03:10] Audience Member: Uh, my name is Cole, the tagline would be what one man’s mullet will do to get home.

[01:03:14] Paul Scheer: Yeah, ooh. Not without my mullet.

[01:03:18] Audience Member: Can’t get home without it. Um, my question is, uh, Buscemi’s character gives like this little monologue of like, am I any more crazy than a man who works nine to five, so I guess I’m saying is that the writer’s is using Buscemi as like a mouthpiece to say that a man who simply sits behind a desk from 9 to 5 is the equivalent to a Charlie Manson, Ted Bundy type killer?

[01:03:40] Paul Scheer: Well, that’s a good question.

[01:03:42] Jason Mantzoukas: I mean, it’s a real existential quandary that he gives to us in that moment by saying, what is real insanity? You know, the mass murderer or the office corporate drones.

[01:03:55] Seth Grahame-Smith: It’s true. I think this movie gets that point across better than Fight Club did.

[01:03:59] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah. Yep. Better than Wanted.

[01:04:04] Paul Scheer: Clearly, we had opinions about this movie, but there are other people out there with different opinions. It’s now time for Second Opinions. Okay. These are Second Opinions. I feel like we’ve been talking about this movie for a very long time. We haven’t even, like, there’s giant areas that we haven’t even gotten into.

[01:04:21] Um, these are Second Opinions from Con Air. Con Air. This review, I hesitated reading because it pays off kind of at the end, but it’s called Beautiful Men All Around. And it just says,

[01:04:35] “The action is fantastic, the casting is perfect, the love is just plain cute. Nicolas Cage has class and a great ability to show emotion. John Malkovich is just so damn cool. He plays the intelligent guy who makes everyone else feel stupid. He’s scary, but laid back. John Cusack is beautiful. The way he spends the entire film looking out for Cage is really cute. All the men in this movie are hot, and they are fantastic actors. Everyone needs to see this cute film.”

[01:05:16] Jason Mantzoukas: I feel like that was written by, like, a 13 year old.

[01:05:20] Paul Scheer: Ooh.

[01:05:21] Jason Mantzoukas: Um I did think it was, those sentiments are not wrong, it is a very cute movie.

[01:05:28] Paul Scheer: Okay, well, um, here we go. This is, alright, so this address is something that we’ve talked about here. Um, okay.

[01:05:37] “For all of you who say it’s racist, well fine, go ahead. I’m not gonna slam you for your opinion. So don’t slam me for mine when I say this is the greatest movie. If you didn’t like it, don’t share it with me because there are millions of people who did like it and I’m not gonna slam your favorite movie because I didn’t like this, alright? This movie also is not about glamorizing criminals, not at all. They all got caught in the end, didn’t they? So what if they’re sociopaths or likable? They, they are not real, right?”

[01:06:12] Jason Mantzoukas: So this reviewer successfully discerned this wasn’t a documentary.

[01:06:17] Paul Scheer: “Some, some kids might think that they are, but then again, those kids shouldn’t be watching this movie. People still like computer games and Nintendo, and hey, James Bond even throws a few funny kills. So stop bad mouthing my movie. If you don’t like it, so what? Don’t criticize us who did.”

[01:06:38] Which is followed by this guy.

[01:06:43] “This is a great movie.”

[01:06:45] It says, quit the special effects. I think he means quite the special effects.

[01:06:50] “Anyone who thinks that this movie is racist seriously needs to wake up. I could argue the film was racist against whites because there were more white criminals than black criminals on the plane. But I don’t.”

[01:07:09] Jason Mantzoukas: Wow.

[01:07:10] Seth Grahame-Smith: Signed, the Ferguson Chief of Police.

[01:07:17] Paul Scheer: And then this one is pretty great. Uh, this one’s very passionate.

[01:07:22] “This movie is fiction!”

[01:07:27] Jason Mantzoukas: Again, people seem to have trouble with this. They need to assert online, I understand where this falls on the line between fiction and non fiction.

[01:07:38] Paul Scheer: “I am so tired of people who become omniscient after they’ve seen the movie and they claim it’s so predictable. In the Boneyard, you have the convict’s plane that’s mixed in the sand, the drug cartel’s jet hidden in the hangar, Cusack has arrived, and the FBI is arriving in the distance in a cloud of dust. If I stopped the movie at that point and asked you, what was gonna happen next? I would have gotten a zillion different answers. And none of them would have been right.

[01:08:11] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, man, I love statistics.

[01:08:14] Paul Scheer: “I knew Buscemi was gonna slice and dice that girl in the boneyard. But guess what? It didn’t happen. For you guys who don’t like action movies or violence, don’t watch it. Don’t rate it. I’m not gonna click over to Weathering Heights and rate it low because it’s a predictable love story that lacked any semblance of action.”

[01:08:40] Jason Mantzoukas: But I mean, there’s plenty of action. Heathcliff and Kathy, uh, and the Morts. I mean, come on, guys.

[01:08:47] Paul Scheer: So that is some five star reviews. Oh my gosh, so there’s some five stars.

[01:08:55] Jason Mantzoukas: I think when a lot of your reviews start with People say this movie’s racist.

[01:09:00] Paul Scheer: That was a very big theme.

[01:09:03] Jason Mantzoukas: You’re in a tough spot.

[01:09:05] Paul Scheer: Uh, one thing just to note Uh, that this, uh, girl’s from the copy place. Uh, from Friends.

[01:09:11] Seth Grahame-Smith: Ginny. Ginny.

[01:09:12] Paul Scheer: Uh, if you recognize her, she’s, uh, Cusack’s number two, but doesn’t really do much in the movie.

[01:09:17] Seth Grahame-Smith: Uh, disappears. Who is she?

[01:09:18] Paul Scheer: Yeah, she, she’s just a girl.

[01:09:20] Seth Grahame-Smith: She’s Angela Featherstone is the actress, because I looked it up, because I was like, this poor girl. There is a cut of this movie somewhere where she has, I’m sure, like, a whole plot. They set her up!

[01:09:33] Jason Mantzoukas: It’s her silence of the Lambs where she’s Jodie Foster.

[01:09:37] Seth Grahame-Smith: She’s just, anyway.

[01:09:39] Paul Scheer: So you might recognize her from Friends.

[01:09:42] Jason Mantzoukas: Wait, who is she on Friends?

[01:09:43] Paul Scheer: From the copy place. C O P Y.

[01:09:45] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, I don’t remember. So Friends the TV show?

[01:09:50] Paul Scheer: Yeah, in the play.

[01:09:51] Jason Mantzoukas: Cool. Cool.

[01:09:52] Paul Scheer: Um, is there anything that we didn’t cover that’s worthy of covering here in the last couple of minutes? I think we know very clearly what we think about the movie, but anything that we haven’t talked about that’s worthy of mentioning?

[01:10:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I loved when the cops find, uh, all of the plane schematics.

[01:10:09] Seth Grahame-Smith: Oh yeah, yeah.

[01:10:10] Jason Mantzoukas: And all of that stuff in Malkovich’s, um, jail cell.

[01:10:14] Paul Scheer: Yes.

[01:10:15] Jason Mantzoukas: Cause it’s not just a few little things. It is a volume of stuff hidden in a legitimate crawlspace in a cement jail that is, like, so, and he’s down there. There’s journals, there’s.

[01:10:30] Paul Scheer: Well, to me, how is he getting stuff in and out of there? It looked like he had to put up a brick every time.

[01:10:35] Seth Grahame-Smith: Right, he made a brick out of powder, too. He made a perfect replica of the brick out of powder.

[01:10:41] Paul Scheer: But every time he would have to go in there, he’d have to make another one of those bricks. Oh, yeah. Because he broke it.

[01:10:46] Jason Mantzoukas: And, there appears to be a camera looking right at that spot. Because they’re upstairs looking at the camera and they’re like, Hey chief, you should come down here and look at this. So, you’re telling me this thing you just found has a camera that’s pointing right at it? And none of you dum dums have ever looked at it? And been like, What’s he doing down there? He seems to be doing stuff in front of the sink. And why does he have a trowel? How? Why does he.

[01:11:12] Paul Scheer: He’s been praying for a long time.

[01:11:13] Jason Mantzoukas: He’s doing a lot of mason work.

[01:11:15] Paul Scheer: And those cops got it for being nosy. He had a little thing that said, by the way, he constructed.

[01:11:21] Seth Grahame-Smith: A liquid bomb.

[01:11:22] Paul Scheer: A liquid bomb.

[01:11:23] Jason Mantzoukas: Yep. In like an Altoids tin.

[01:11:26] Paul Scheer: That was the crazy, like that was a lot of shit that get in there.

[01:11:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh yeah. Because he’s fucking awesome. .

[01:11:32] Paul Scheer: Seth, anything that we haven’t talked about that you’ve.

[01:11:34] Seth Grahame-Smith: Uh, I still don’t like this movie. I mean, no, that’s not fair.

[01:11:41] Paul Scheer: No, I think it’s watchable. I feel like it’s watchable. But I agree with you, I don’t think it’s good. It’s not on the level of The Rock.

[01:11:46] Seth Grahame-Smith: I feel like this is where it all goes south for Nic Cage if you look at, you know, the history of Nic Cage. Cause you look at him up to this point, at this point, he’s just made The Rock. He’s, this is right after The Rock. He’s won the Academy Award for Leaving Las Vegas. He’s proven that he’s an incredible comedic actor in Raising Arizona. Brilliant.

[01:12:04] Jason Mantzoukas: Moonstruck.

[01:12:04] Seth Grahame-Smith: Moonstruck. Uh, Peggy Sue Got Married. Like he’s worked with all the best filmmakers. He’s, he’s on the, and, if, I don’t know, like that crazy Nic Cage, like inexplicable craziness, I feel like you could trace it all back to this movie.

[01:12:20] Paul Scheer: Well, here’s a fact that, worthy for the next show we’re gonna do, the day he finished this, he went to the set a face off.

[01:12:29] Jason Mantzoukas: Really?

[01:12:29] Paul Scheer: He did these two movies back, literally, like, not even 12 hours past between one to the other. And I think it was the fueling of, let’s go.

[01:12:40] Jason Mantzoukas: Yeah, yeah. It works. This movie, I, this, I feel about this movie akin to how I feel about Crank or Fast and Furious movies. I think this is I just enjoyed this movie for the nonsense that it is.

[01:12:58] Paul Scheer: How many people here love the movie? And I don’t think hate is the right thing, but how many people did not love the movie? The opposite of that.

[01:13:11] Oh, interesting. 50 50.

[01:13:13] Seth Grahame-Smith: I don’t hate the movie.

[01:13:14] Paul Scheer: Yeah.

[01:13:14] Seth Grahame-Smith: It just, it didn’t get me in the same way that The Rock gets me.

[01:13:18] Paul Scheer: The Rock is great. Like I feel like, and.

[01:13:20] Seth Grahame-Smith: Bad Boys gets me in a whole different I just, I get, I get I’m fully in all the Fast and the Furious.

[01:13:26] Jason Mantzoukas: You guys are all in for Michael Bay, but Simon West, you’re like, I don’t think so.

[01:13:29] Paul Scheer: Yeah, I don’t know. I mean, there’s just something, I think there is something missing from this movie that those movies have like, I don’t know what it is.

[01:13:37] Seth Grahame-Smith: It’s Michael Bay.

[01:13:38] Paul Scheer: It’s like a, yeah, maybe it’s Michael Bay. Yeah. Maybe the only one that’s come close to Michael, a Michael Bay experience. Uh, well first of all I can say the Fast and Furious movies. I think that has like the same energy. And then there’s James Wan with his new Fast 7.

[01:13:52] Seth Grahame-Smith: I love those movies.

[01:13:53] Paul Scheer: Yeah, they’re great. I think that this one, for whatever reason, it just doesn’t feel like it all clicks. Although the cast is awesome, and I would love to see a remake of them.

[01:14:01] Jason Mantzoukas: I’m, I’m all, yeah, oh, prison plane, please, come on, this is amazing.

[01:14:06] Paul Scheer: One interesting fact about this movie, it’s called Con Air, but in France, it’s Con means vagina. They, they had to change that.

[01:14:17] Jason Mantzoukas: Ladies.

[01:14:17] Paul Scheer: Um, and, uh, it did not win the Academy Award. Uh, they really did destroy the Sands Hotel. And, uh, Nicholas, uh, John Cusack refuses to answer any questions about this movie. Something there.

[01:14:31] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s amazing too.

[01:14:32] Paul Scheer: Um, so before we go, uh, let’s just talk, uh, Seth, you’re doing the coolest shit right now, I feel like. You have so much cool stuff going on. Tell us a little bit of what we can look forward to. Uh, You have a brand new, you have a book out, you have everything.

[01:14:46] Seth Grahame-Smith: Uh, yeah, still writing books. Uh, the, the Pride and Prejudice and Zombies movie comes out in February. So I’m excited about that.

[01:14:53] Jason Mantzoukas: Woo!

[01:14:55] Seth Grahame-Smith: Um, Right now I’m busy writing the Lego Batman movie, which comes out.

[01:15:03] Uh, and then it looks like this summer I’m going to be in New York producing Stephen King’s It. Uh, for Neon. With the, uh, with the director of True Detective, Cary Fukunaga, directing the movie.

[01:15:17] Paul Scheer: That is going to be amazing.

[01:15:19] Jason Mantzoukas: That’s awesome.

[01:15:20] Paul Scheer: You have the best plugs that we’ve ever had on this show.

[01:15:24] Jason Mantzoukas: And Matthew McConaughey is the clown. Right?

[01:15:27] Seth Grahame-Smith: Don’t make me do a version of that voice. We all float down here. See, I knew it was bad before it came out, but I had to do it.

[01:15:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Still works.

[01:15:38] Seth Grahame-Smith: I had to do it.

[01:15:39] Paul Scheer: Uh, was that, did you get to work with Stephen King at all? Or do you, or?

[01:15:43] Seth Grahame-Smith: No, I’ve done two Stephen King projects. I did a TV pilot that didn’t go that, uh, was based on one of his short stories, and now we’re doing this as a two parter, uh, two movies for It. Um, but I have not yet had the pleasure, I’m, I’m hoping to, cause you know, I grew up worshipping the guy. Yeah. I’m kind of afraid though, because it’s one of those people that you put so much stock in their opinion and in their talent, like, If that guy turned to me and goes, you know, you’re kind of a dick, I would have to kill myself.

[01:16:08] Jason Mantzoukas: I also feel like he would tell you. Yeah, he would to me to be the kind of guy who’s like, oh, no, I tell it like it is. Yeah. I don’t like you, you know?

[01:16:17] Paul Scheer: I will say, I grew up with Stephen King. I love Stephen King. But every now and then when I read those EW, like, what I like, I’m like, eh, really, I don’t know all the time. But we’ll see.

[01:16:26] Seth Grahame-Smith: So I’m afraid.

[01:16:27] Paul Scheer: Yeah. You should be. You should never meet anyone that you.

[01:16:29] Seth Grahame-Smith: No, I’m never gonna meet anybody.

[01:16:30] Paul Scheer: Um, all right, so Jason, where would you like to plug?

[01:16:34] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, boy.

[01:16:35] Paul Scheer: Well, obviously, your Community was getting a lot of.

[01:16:37] Jason Mantzoukas: Oh, yeah, my Community, uh, um This season is airing on Yahoo! And I was just in an episode that, uh, that came out last week. So, search that out. Um, uh, I don’t know. Uh, Kroll Show just wrapped up. If you haven’t watched that, please watch that. Just a fantastic season of comedy. Um, I don’t know.

[01:16:58] Paul Scheer: Alright, great. Uh, I’ll plug, uh.

[01:17:00] Jason Mantzoukas: The How did This Get Made podcast on the EarWolf Network.

[01:17:02] Paul Scheer: Yeah, that’s good. That’s always good. Yeah, check that out. Check out How Did This Get Made. Uh, you can check out, uh, Fresh Off the Boat, which is a show that I, uh, that I am on, which is a super funny show. And, uh, and I want to give a big thanks to everybody here that’s helping us out. Nate Kiley, Avaryll Halley, July Diaz. We have brand new How Did This Get Made t shirts. They’re based on No Holds Barred.

[01:17:24] Check that out. Thank you guys so much! Thank you, Seth!

[01:17:29] Have a good night!