EP. 326.5 — Last Looks: Switch

Paul Scheer [00:00:00] A question to meditate on. If you just like kids and dogs, does that make you a good person or do you have to have a kid or dog and like them to make you a good person? While you think about that, let’s prep the set. It’s time for Last Looks.

Music [00:00:20] [Last Looks Intro]

Paul Scheer [00:00:37] Hello all you hot tub murder witches, I’m your host Paul Scheer and welcome to How Did This Get Made Last Looks where you get to voice your issues on the Jimmy Smits Ellen Barkin classic Switch. Jason and I will answer your listener calls on the help line. I’ll reveal next week’s movie. Plus, we will share an exclusive bonus scene from our live Switch show. So much stuff. But first things first. A big shout out to GoVanGogh. GoVanGogh created that amazing opening. And you know what GoVanGogh? Hearing that opening made me say to myself, We need that level, that kind of talent in creating a brand neHow Did This Get Made theme song. I’m coming up with this on the spot. I challenge people to dethrone our theme song. It happened once before, before we were keeping track of who even wrote that song. I’ve tried to find them. I can’t. I would love a new theme song. We could have a theme song off, maybe a new video to go with it for the live shows. I like this idea, and if you like this idea, if you want to take this challenge, if GoVanGoghs, wants to step up to the plate with all of the great musicians that have come before and after. Well, I guess just before or not after, send us your brand new How Did This Get Made theme at How Did This Get Made@Earwolf.com. Go for it and still keep on making Last Look songs too, but go for the gold get immortalized in some way. I don’t know how you’d be immortalized, but we’ll give you something cool anyway. I think that would be really fun. We are going to have a How Did This Get Made song off? Great way to start the New Year. Well, the new school year, it’s not even a new year. Anyway. I’m getting lost because we need to talk about Switch. Switch a movie that Discord user Alain Smithee thinks could have been called “Hot Tub Crime Machine”. Boom, Boom. Nailed it. I love it. I like these alt these alt titles. Okay, So obviously we had questions about Switch, and we might have even missed a few things. Right? But here is your chance to set a straight. Fact check us, if you will. It’s okay. We can take it. It is now time for Corrections and Omissions.

Music [00:03:10] [Corrections and Omissions Intro]

Paul Scheer [00:03:37] Thank you, John Falding. I love that theme song, too. Let’s go to the Discord. Cameron H writes, “What annoyed me was I kept asking, Why him? What makes this guy so special that he gets a second chance when absolutely no one else does?” Wow. Cameron, that is. I mean, it’s a harsh and true and beautiful way of looking at this movie. Cameron continues and says, “According to God, if it wasn’t for Steve’s misogyny, he actually would have been worthy of going to heaven. But all we get from the movie is one line from Jimmy Smits that Steve liked Kids and dogs. That’s it. He doesn’t even own a dog or have a kid. Apparently he just likes the idea of them. Yet Steve appears to be unscrupulous in business. Quick to violence and a complete shit to literally every woman he’s ever met. Heck, he doesn’t even appear to be particularly religious or spiritual. Is that truly how low the bar is to get into heaven these days? I mean, you should say those days. I’ve been to clubs with stricter requirements for admittance. I’m just saying, based on this film, heaven could have been filled wall to wall with trash bag human beings.” Next up, Vinod S, “When we heard Joni Mitchell’s lyrics for both sides now, it was not Joni’s voice, though, while I’m sure you all knew that, I don’t think the EP made it clear the version in the film was a cover sung by Landed and Paul Young.” Well, sure. I’m sorry we didn’t lay that down explicitly, but it is a Joni Mitchell song. Even though Joni Mitchell is not voicing it. But the same thing holds true. She is the rights holder, so it is surprising. And in response to June, saying she hadn’t heard both sides now in a movie before. Lee Black chimes in to say Joni’s version of both sides now is very famously in one of Jason’s favorite movies, Love, actually. Oh, you’re right. Like, the song defines Emma Thompson’s character, so it has definitely been in a movie before. And Vinod S adds to that, “Joni’s version of both sides now was also famously used in the season six finale of Mad Men when Don takes his kids to the brothel where he grew up.” Bam! June is wrong. I am not going to tell her that. I’ll let you see her on the street and let her know. Shawn McBee “One thing not mentioned was that the devil actually keeps tabs on Steve Mandar throughout the entire film. Once as a customer at City Grill, twice as a piano player, once wearing drag at the lesbian club, and lastly, as a televangelist on TV. While Steve Manda is yelling at Smitt’s after he date raped her, a sentence I don’t even like to say out loud. Yes, we did mention this in the live show, but these pictures that you added and you can all check it out, John is not lying are great. And that is true. All right. Let’s go to the phones. Matthew from Rhode Island. What do you got?

Listener [00:06:47] Hi. This is Matthew from Rhode Island. You’re talking about the wonderful acting of Catherine Keener as a secretary in the movie Switch, but also mentioned that she would then go on, I think, eight years later to be one of the key roles in Being John Malkovich. Another movie about a different body experience. So just a little interesting connection with Catherine Keener and the journey that she went on during two different movies like that.

Paul Scheer [00:07:15] Yes. I mean, yes, I guess it is a body swap movie. I never thought of it as a body swap movie. It seems more elevated. John Malkovich doesn’t seem like a traditional body swap. It seems more like you’re piloting an airplane or something like that. But you’re right. You are right. And you know what? Thank you for calling out Catherine Keener for excellent taste in body swap movies. Paul from Adelaide, Australia chimes in with something that. Sit back, relax and enjoy.

Listener [00:07:46] Hey Paul, just talking about the five star review where the person said that no one was able to replicate Switch as the host of a podcast called This of Course Podcast. We’ve been reviewing Body Swap movies for the last six years. I can definitely tell you that plenty of movies have tried to replicate this formula, and a couple of that came to mind recently is Sex Trip which starred Sylvester Stallone’s brother and Tom Hank’s brother, which was truly fucking awful, and also a film called Damn, that was directed by Mel Brook’s son, which was terrible. Yeah, we call them misogyny swaps on our show because they keep making this film and it’s a pretty terrible kind of idea that a man has to become a woman in order to actually see women as people. So I hope this trend kind of goes away because it is a troubling formula, but it is one that people just keep making. So, yeah, I love the show and it’s a big inspiration for my podcast. Yeah, keep up the great work.

Paul Scheer [00:08:54] Wow. Paul, this is great. I have to listen to your podcast and looking at this. Whoa. The posters on this are Wild, Wild, the sex trip. Please just Google the sex trip and Sam. The posters of sex trip. It’s like a traditionally, like, glistening, wet woman on the top and then like a traditionally, like, cut dude on the bottom separated by the title. So it looks like one body and it’s upsetting. And Sam, you’re watching the transformation from a cigar chomping bow tie wearin white dude into into a woman. Now, here’s the thing. The bow tie wherein white dude is wearing a suit jacket, but when he is transformed into a woman simply on the movie poster, he loses his jacket and his breasts are out. And we see maximum cleave. Wow, wow, wow, wow. All right, so that’s 2016 sex trip and 2017, Sam. Back to the discord. GT75 writes, “In the beginning of the movie, the devil points out that Steve is just going to seduce a woman again. Sorry, a female. As the movie repeatedly phrases it and to trick her into liking him, which is why he proposes to turn him into a woman. But isn’t that exactly what Steve/Amanda does with Lorraine Bracco anyway? I mean, the movie should have been over before he even gets to confess that he’s using Lorraine for the account, because somehow God and the devil both forgot that lesbians exist. Well, look, I can argue this point a little bit because I don’t think that Steve knew what the bet was. And I also don’t think that he was promising anything to her. I don’t think he was trying to trick her. Do you? I think he was attracted to her as a man and then couldn’t go through with it because he was in a woman’s body. Anyway, you know, you say potato. I say potato. Droopy MCC writes “The character Felicia, who was one of the murdering ex-girlfriends, was played by actress Victoria Mahoney. Victoria is a director these days, helming episodes of popular shows like Gray’s Anatomy, The Morning Show and Lovecraft County. She was the first female director to work on a Star Wars movie when she directed the second unit for The Rise of Skywalker. Whoa. The first female director of Star Wars. I guess maybe Star Wars movies. Okay. From Hot Tub Murders to suicide out on Exegol. You never know where your life will take you. Well, that’s great. I like that. We’ve learned a little bit about behind the scenes action. Shawn McBee back again says “Amanda has absolutely no ID, no Social Security number, no birth certificate, no history of any kind. Yet she can get $250,000 a year job, but the police know how to reach out to her as the next of kin to identify Steve’s body. She’s able to buy a plane ticket and there seems to be no issue with putting her on trial, committing her to a mental institution or legalizing her wedding to Jimmy Smits. One scene of her going into some shady guy for fake papers would have helped make a little bit more sense. Maybe we could have replaced the men are inherently better at sports basketball scene, where Steve’s female body results in his first ever loss to Smits.” I agree. I mean, that was really a fucking crazy loophole, but it’s a farce. Mitch Cappa writes, “If the baby had been born a boy, does that mean that Steve/Amanda would have just gone straight to hell?” Boom. Wow. You know, that’s when you think about it. So many great corrections and omissions this week. But there can only be one winner, one winner to walk away with their own song, a song by Ashanti Djon Cooper. And you know who that’s going to be? Yes. Back again in the top spot, Cameron H. Simply asking the question we all wanted to ask, but forgot. Why him? So, Cameron, you’re back, baby. Enjoy this song by Ashanti Cooper. Hit it.

Music [00:13:05] [Winner’s Song]

Paul Scheer [00:13:23] Thank you, Ashanti, for that song. Check out more music from Ashanti by following her on Instagram at Ashanti with an I, DeJeanne.music, AshantiDejean.music. Remember, if you want to submit an alt movie tagline or chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode Hit The Discord at Discord.gg/HDTGM or Call us at 619-PAUL-ASK. Coming up next, Jason and I will answer listener phone calls on the help line and I will reveal next week’s movie. But first, sometimes at our live shows we have multiple second opinion songs that blow us away. And we had one more great song at our Switch show. We wanted to share it with the world. So to the tune of Meredith Brooke’s 1997 song, Bitch, Laura, sing us into the break.

Music [00:14:09] Steve hates the world today. He just woke up and his dick has gone away. I can understand how you would be so confused. The audience is too. Is it progressive or offensive? Buckle up. Let’s have some fun. It’s a switch. He’s Amanda in this cringe extravaganza, it’s got Barkin and it’s got Smits. And they always feel her tits. What the fuck, O-M-G? It’s a date rape comedy. Use the singular form of they. For this alone, I stan. Won’t you join with me and give this film my hands? Five stars.

Paul Scheer [00:15:10] Welcome back. You’ve likely noticed that. How Did This Get Made every Monday, we rerelease an older episode back into the rotation. This week’s matinee Monday was a rerelease of How Did This Get Made 100th episode. The movie Jr, which like Switch, featured a pregnant man. Next week matinee Monday will be another Body Swap movie. The Secret. This is a good episode with guests Topher Grace and Joel Kim Booster. So keep on checking out these replays of classic EPS every Monday. All right. Now it is time for Jason and I to answer some listener calls on the help line. This week’s help line theme comes from our pal Rob from Long Island. Rob from Long Island, I know that you can come up with How Did This Get Made song. And also features comic book artist and musician James Kowalczyk on vocals. I hope I got that right. James. Rob and James play us in.

Music [00:16:25] [Just Chat Intro]

Paul Scheer [00:16:28] Jason, we got some calls this week. You know, we’re going to.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:16:32] Oh, we got the calls.

Paul Scheer [00:16:33] We got a lot of good calls. We got some emails as well. Scott, what do you want to start us off with?

Scott Sonne [00:16:39] Let’s start out with a friend of the pod who travels to a lot of our live shows. This call comes from Chicago, Leah.

Paul Scheer [00:16:46] Oh, we love Leah.

Listener [00:16:47] Hey, Paul, it’s Leah from Chicago, a.k.a. ChicagoLeah in the Discord. Right now, I’m on an international vacation where the highlight of every day is the hotel breakfast buffet. So I’m curious, what is your M.O. when it comes to luxury hotel breakfast buffet? Do you get there the minute it opens and you stay through the whole morning? Do you go at the end and just get like your protein in your coffee and then you’re off? How do you attack a luxury hotel breakfast buffet when you’re on vacation? Have a good one. Bye.

Paul Scheer [00:17:23] So, Jason, this is a good question. I’m not going to have a great answer because I don’t hit them. I avoid.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:28] I don’t either.

Paul Scheer [00:17:28] No way. Luxury non-luxury if you’re paying for it. Yes, but if it’s out.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:34] A lot of times it’s free. A lot of times it’s included in in your in your you know, with your room and whatnot. So. But even still, I don’t. I don’t do it. I’m for me, I almost never do breakfast, period. I find my breakfast is a pretty troubling meal for me.

Paul Scheer [00:17:50] So. Yeah. You can’t have much breakfast.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:17:53] Yeah. So what, am I going to go down to the lobby and get, like, a box of cornflakes? No, I’m not. Yeah.

Paul Scheer [00:17:58] So I will say this. We did a lot of things on points on this trip, and we are a Marriott Bonvoy member, which then also is like part of four seasons. So sometimes we stay at nice places and the Four Seasons said, Hey, we have a great every morning breakfast buffet, come down and enjoy it. And I was like, what, Four Seasons? I’m going to do this breakfast buffet. Got down there. I’d say breakfast buffet was great, but it was expensive as hell. And the woman who was serving us, I thought, first of all, it’s going to be free breakfast. They said to come check it out every morning. It wasn’t like a come check out thing. I was like, Come and eat at this restaurant. We’re going to charge you a lot. And this woman said to me, Oh, I won’t charge your kids the full price. And okay. And I go, Thank you, because my kids don’t eat that much. And the full price, which I was shocked to find out was $60 per person. Well, too much for breakfast. My kids that charged 45.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:19:06] Oh, my God.

Paul Scheer [00:19:07] And if I told you my kids had half of a bagel and some fruit, that was about it. And when I saw the price, I went back. I filled my plate three more times. It’s like I got to eat breakfast. I got. I got to make this. I got to make a $60. I can’t pay that much for breakfast. Yeah.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:19:24] The thing is, I can’t pay that much because all I’m going to be able to eat is like oatmeal and coffee, like, and maybe some fruit. I’m really at a loss. So. So. And I know this question wasn’t meant for me, but. But yeah, I don’t do it. Most I do is order a pot of coffee to the room while I pack up and leave.

Paul Scheer [00:19:42] That is something that June does.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:19:44] And I travel with instant oatmeal packets.

Paul Scheer [00:19:47] Oh, wow. That’s smart. I should do that. See, June does something that’s interesting, which is before she goes to bed, she calls in a room service order for coffee at the time that she’s getting up, which has been a genius hack. So the first thing is that that annoying beep, beep, beep. It is. Knock, knock, knock. Coffee’s here. Yeah, it’s a great way to start the day. So, yeah, I kind of follow her, but I’m not a breakfast person, so I avoid it primarily. But if you gonna give me a cookie at a double tree, I’m going to eat the hell out of that.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:20] It’s also, I feel like it’s, you know, a lot of times it’s not worth it. I do think where it’s, Leah said in Europe, I think that breakfast is probably a much better, nicer breakfast, you know.

Paul Scheer [00:20:34] Yes. Oh, in Europe, Yes. And by the way, I always felt pressure when I stayed at a B and B, I’m not a big B and B fan, but sometimes. Yeah, they want you to eat their breakfast and sometimes.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:45] They want you to hang out. I feel like B and Bs are lonely people who have extra bedrooms and are like, How can we get people here to hang with us?

Paul Scheer [00:20:54] I don’t want to socialize. I don’t I’ve never wanted.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:20:56] Don’t want to watch Survivor with you.

Paul Scheer [00:20:58] Oh, well, I would love to watch Survivor with you, by the way, I know we can’t really talk about we can’t.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:05] Can’t talk about it.

Paul Scheer [00:21:05] We can’t talk about it, but man, some good stuff on there. But but yeah, I’m not for it now. Scott, do you have that one email or is it. Somebody couldn’t leave a message because they’re in international waters or maybe they’re an international land.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:21:27] We should probably rescue them.

Paul Scheer [00:21:29] We’ve got to get them. We’ve got to save them.

Scott Sonne [00:21:30] Let’s see. Yes. Looks like we have a call from Nick in Australia.

Listener [00:21:34] Hi, Paul, Jason, and June. I’m just calling after listening to your rerelease of Teen Witch and June’s sister had this amazing insight into watching a film that I’d never even really considered, even last time I listened to the Teen Witch episode.

Paul Scheer [00:21:46] Is he popping popcorn in the background?

Listener [00:21:48] Commit to a two hour movie because their expectations are too high. And I realized I love movies as well, but I have that same problem. I end up not going to see movies because I don’t want to be disappointed. Quite sad. I know this aren’t the usual kind of Paul ask questions, but I thought I’d find out your thoughts on that. Have a great day. Bye.

Paul Scheer [00:22:05] This is an odd thing. June’s sister has since changed her opinion on attention spans and movies. June’s sister didn’t like movies for a long time. And I always find it interesting that people don’t like movies. Like you can not like a genre, but like, not to like this thing. I don’t like art. I don’t like music. It’s it’s a weird it’s too weird.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:22:29] It’s a weird take. Yes, it is. It’s a weird take. I do understand, though, in this era of bingeing and streaming and having so much at your fingertips all the time, this idea that movies are something that seem like a big investment, like the next two plus hours or whatever. But I would argue and people I feel like have been conditioned to be like, Oh, another one. Ooh, like kind of like another bite, another bite of these shows. And I really like I like movies for the opposite reason, because I like that in 2 hours or whatever, I can have a beginning, middle and an end of the story. And be done and feel a sense of closure and that I completed something like my completion rate for movies feels like, Oh, that was great, you know?

Paul Scheer [00:23:17] Yes, you know, I get that. And I think that I know the fear that this gentleman is talking about where, oh, is it worth my time? Am I making the right decision? And especially when you are faced with a longer film, like there was one film I went to go see that had an intermission. And I actually loved that because it gave me a chance to not like worry because I’ve gotten so used to watching things at home. I’ve gotten so comfortable watching things at home that sometimes I want to have those amenities simply just being able to go to the bathroom. I mean, that really is is a big one. And I don’t want to miss out on something in the theater.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:23:54] I wonder if you feel the same way. And I don’t know if you interact with it the way that I do, but I was saying this just a couple of minutes ago or in fact, last week that I still listen to the radio a lot. I love listening to the radio and processing things through the discovery of just hitting seek, hitting, seek forward and seeing where I land and what I land on and where you know, how I get turned on to stuff. To that end, I mean, I still have cable and very much enjoy just absentmindedly flipping through because those moments of discovery can turn you on to something. And a lot of times, especially in my childhood or my teenage years, that is how I found incredibly impactful movies. That’s how I saw Harold and Maude for the first time when I was 12 or 13 years old. And it had such an impact on me or other movies that were so massively important to me and were were imprinted on me through sheer accident and happenstance. And I still really enjoy that.

Paul Scheer [00:24:55] I agree. I feel like we don’t get a chance to find something. And that’s what I my new thing has been. I try to find out as little as possible. I don’t want to know. Like so I am intrigued by a poster, a word, a thing, an image. I go, That’s it. That’s all I need to. I don’t like the idea that I get to that. I know too much before I go in. I’m not I’m not finding myself just spinning the dial, which I probably should do more. But but I do find myself wanting to experiment or see things. And I’ll tell you, I just saw this movie from Japan called Shin Kamen Rider, which is Woah.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:25:37] I know. It’s a guy with a bug head.

Paul Scheer [00:25:41] Yes, yes. Y

Jason Mantzoukas [00:25:42] eah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it good?

Paul Scheer [00:25:43] It was fun. I mean.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:25:45] Oh, great.

Paul Scheer [00:25:46] Wow. I was. I mean, I guess it’s the third in this series, but I didn’t know of it. I’m going to go back and watch. I mean, it makes sense because there were some things I was confused about, but wow, it’s fun. It’s crazy. It looks a little bit like a high level mighty Morphin Power Rangers like that, you know? Anyway, so it has, but it’s but it’s elevated it. It’s great. Oh, wow. It’s fun.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:26:15] That’s great. And I will say, like, I feel like kind of what this question was about or the what we’re talking about in general is this idea of I’m going to sit down and watch something I want to know. It’s good. I don’t want to waste my time or I want to know that when I’m done with it, I’m going to have loved it or something like that. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that, I feel like is So you’re waiting your experience so much against the movie or the show or the album or whatever you’re making it so that that thing is having to do a lot of work to win you over versus just pure discovery. So if that is something that you’re dealing with, then I like then taking as my jumping off point, tethering my watching to a podcast that I’m also listening to. So like the, like the blank check guys doing the films of Buster Keaton was to me recently an opportunity to go back and watch a bunch of old Buster Keaton and Harold Lloyd shorts and Marx Brothers shorts stuff that they were talking about in the episode that I could then go and find a lot of it’s on YouTube or, you know, a lot of stuff that I wouldn’t have normally just picked up and watched because they were talking about it, or because the Action boys were talking about something or the Doughboys or all these podcasts that intersect with things to watch, including ours and yours Unspooled. And all of these things are ways to kind of get recommendations that you then not only are predisposed to enjoy what you’re watching, you have a you have another, you have a second thing, a next thing that’s going to give you an opportunity to dig even deeper. You have some podcast episodes to listen to that are going to give you even more context.

Paul Scheer [00:28:02] Yeah, I and I and I love that too. I love going back and finding that time and. Also, I think it expands you because you get excited about something. And even with music, I feel like after seeing Joni Mitchell or, you know, yeah, you go and you start to explore other people, other things. And you’re right. I think that we should be embracing, embracing it more. Just the idea of not knowing everything, you know.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:28] Yeah, and, and letting things and letting our sense of discovery or being turned on to something like I’ll say blank check right now is doing the films of Park Chan Wook. Yeah. You know, so maybe you’ve seen Oldboy, maybe you’ve seen a couple of them, but there’s probably a lot you haven’t seen. It’s a worthwhile listen and watch.

Paul Scheer [00:28:50] All right, last one. What do we got?

Scott Sonne [00:28:51] This next calls from Caitlyn in Brooklyn and this one’s mostly for Jason.

Paul Scheer [00:28:55] Ooh. Jason. All right, here we go.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:28:57] Brooklyn.

Listener [00:28:57] Hey, Paul and Jason. My name is Caitlyn, and I live in Brooklyn, but I actually just ended a four year live-in relationship, so I’m shacking up with my parents and working remotely in New Hampshire for the next couple of months while I wait for the New York City rental market to hopefully cool down a little bit in the fall. I actually feel really good because I’ve been trying to really live my best main character mood in the Summer. But I am running out of ideas, so Paul and I guess mostly Jason I would love your thoughts on other things I can do to make the most of my post-breakup New England Summer. Love the show. Thank you so much. Bye.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:38] Ooh, Post-breakup. New England Summer. I mean, New England Summer really can’t be beat. It’s. It’s pretty dynamite. You’re talking beaches, you’re talking fried clams, lobster rolls.

Paul Scheer [00:29:52] I had so many lobster rolls on tour. It was so delicious. Ooh.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:29:56] Or, like, amusement parks, but not like, the big, fancy ones. I’m talking, like, the little dingy ones that are really great. Or, like, the old Orchard Beach boardwalk in Maine. Both sketchy and fascinating and fun. Drive in movie theaters is a, don’t sleep on. Don’t sleep on big New England drive in movie theaters. Like there’s one in Scarborough, Maine. I can think of. That to me is summer. You know that to me, like going to the drive in like that is pretty awesome. And I. Any kind of outdoor movie theater here in in L.A., we’ve got like the Hollywood Forever Cemetery movie. Yeah. And that kind of a vibe. I just like that. I like being outside. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again right here on this podcast I want How Did This Get Made to do outdoor shows.

Paul Scheer [00:30:43] I love it.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:43] I would love it. I think that would be an absolute blast. So if there’s like a little a little shed near you that we can do a show in, let us know.

Paul Scheer [00:30:51] That is great. I think we should go.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:30:53] And then the rest of it, you know, it’s, you know, single hot girl summer. So just go for it. I don’t know. You know, you should be having, like, you know, both in New England Stephen King Scary, spooky. Go explore the caves. But also like, you know, making out, you know, finding new love, you know, New England version of Nicholas Sparks novels should be happening as well. Like, where is your next time you call in? Who was it? Caitlin. Yes. Is that what it is? Next time you call in Caitlin, let us know all the mischief and fun you got up to. I’d love a Caitlin’s sexy summer of fun post-breakup from Brooklyn to New Hampshire. Live Free or Die in parentheses Update I want another one. Let us know, Caitlin, what you got up to, because I think there’s a lot you could do road trips. You can Now that it’s not as hot, you could go hiking, do a little bit of the Appalachian Trail or something else. Get it, get out there. Hit the hit the hit the water, hit the trails. Let’s figure this out.

Paul Scheer [00:31:56] I want to see what happens with her. This is nice. All right. Any other calls? We got one more, maybe think one more, because I feel like this is a good, good way to end. Here we go.

Scott Sonne [00:32:04] All right, Last but not least, we’ve got Chris from Boise.

Listener [00:32:08] Hey, Paul and Jason. I was listening a while ago to your discussion about bags. And based on Jason’s recommendation, I got the peak design watch pouch. Game changer. In listening to you, Paul, talk about telco designers, I got myself a rover pack. Great for quick trips. The question I had is do you have any versatile shoes you recommend for travel? I used a pair of Nike. I wore them out and I’m looking for a new shoe that can be worn for a variety of things. Also, you guys should check out the album Everyone’s Dead Except For Us by Wolfie’s Just Fine.

Paul Scheer [00:32:53] Love John. So psyched to have him come and pop in on the Fast Ten show. Wolfie’s just fine, is great, and he is always putting out really solid stuff. I’m like just.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:05] A beautiful musician, like his. You really got to check him out, you know? John Lajoie, our cast mate in the league, has now spent the last ten years making absolutely beautiful music.

Paul Scheer [00:33:15] I love it. I want to just jump in real quick and just say one thing about bags. Yeah. Because first of all, I found a new bag that I’m in love with. It’s the Solgaard bag. Solgaard has a on that has like, a pop up like a, like a closet.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:33:36] And this is like a roller bag. This like a hard, a hard shell roller bag.

Paul Scheer [00:33:41] Right. Which you can, you can have as a carry on. It’s great. And the entire tour, I would just take out the closet part. Hang it in my closet. Had my closet clothes hanging there. I have to figure out how to be better at folding. I’m a bigger person. Or as you are, Jason. I’m not big. But like, when I fold up jeans, it’s not going to be, you know, I can’t get a jean into, you know, it’s going to it’s going to be bigger. So that’s tricky. But I will say this, Shoes are the hardest part of travel. I’ve talked to people about shoe hacks. And as a matter of fact, because we were able to get a tour of the White House on tour, which was amazing, you couldn’t wear sneakers and I only brought sneakers on tour. And I had to go out and buy some nicer shoes. But because I knew I couldn’t bring the shoes home with me, I just didn’t have if I was keeping it light the entire time, I just left them in the hotel room. I took the $40 loss. I bought cheaper shoes. But. But because shoes are a pain in the ass. You want dress shoes? You want nice shoes? I like workout. Shoes are where I really lose my whole packing.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:34:54] I agree with you completely, Paul. And shoes can really eat up a tremendous amount of space in a bag or in a suitcase, especially eat up a lot of space, some of which you’re not going to use that much. Yeah. For me, you know, I try to get it down to two things. You know, a pair of sneakers and a pair of stage shoes, right? Or travel day shoes and stage shoes, whatever it is. This trip, both were sneakers. I had sneakers on stage and sneakers that I traveled in during the day, and that was it. And a pair of Birkenstocks just for puttering around the room and. Yeah, and that’s it. But I’m also like this caller on the search for a because normally I just bring my redwing boots and a pair of sneakers and that’s it. I’m done. But the bummer is in the summer, I’m not going to be wearing these boots. It’s crazy, right? So finding a summer shoe that works is that doesn’t seem to just like, I don’t want to be wearing a pair of Hokas on stage. Right. But I do want to be wearing a pair of Hokas everywhere else, walking around the airports, doing the cars, driving around all everything. Anyway. Yeah. I’m also looking for a versatile, good looking shoe that that I can wear in in for different uses that’s comfortable for my flat feet.

Paul Scheer [00:36:14] Right. Well I mean, look, I have issues that I made a big mistake, which was I decided to take high tops. I got these nice Jordan high tops and a week of wearing those really did some damage to my above really old man above ankle area. Like, I don’t know like back back a whatever it is and and I needed to switch them out and it is about it’s a balance that I don’t like having to debate because shoes make me pack heavier but you do need two pair. I wind up a lot of time just really squeezing in the nice pair. I really need three pairs of shoes, like a pair of nice sneakers, a pair of workout shoes and then a pair of nice shoes.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:36:58] It’s really that’s the. And then. And then you’re tied. That’s like one half of one side of your suitcase just for those. And then you’re. That’s what makes me crazy. I hate because then I’m like fucking. I’ll be like so almost packed and then be like, Shit, my boots aren’t even in there.

Paul Scheer [00:37:15] Well, and this is my thing. And again, this is not, you know, I have a larger foot, so it does it’s like, hey, it doesn’t even fit like I’m like, I’m fighting with that. I like, oh, sometimes these little feet, people have it easy. They just.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:37:29] I got those little feet, but they’re still full. I’m still full of shoes. It’s terrible. But I will say, like I you know, this trip I do so appreciate and it’s very nerdy. I do so appreciate being given the opportunity to be like, okay, I’m going to cull through my travel gear and pair it down. So my bags are light and I’m not overdoing it. And I did. I think I did a pretty good job.

Paul Scheer [00:37:54] I did a great job. June made fun of me because we went on a trip before this trip, a little vacation that we had already planned. And and she’s like, I can fit everything in my bag. I fit everything in my bag. And June’s bag looks like. I mean it it looks really overstuffed. It looks like a buffet plate where someone’s like, last call I get is everything is on there, It’s bustin at the seams. I try to put it on airplanes. I’m like, I’m fighting to get it in the overhead and I fit everything in here. And I go, Well, you know, I go, I don’t know how you do it. You know, I’m trying to put everything in my in my bag. And I have I realized I had the smallest bag in my entire family. My overhead bag was using my away bag. And it’s oh, yeah, so much smaller than everybody else’s. And no wonder I was having a hard time. It barely fits anything.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:38:47] I was on a trip the just prior to our tour. I was on like a 4 to 5 week trip that was long. So I had a backpack, a roller bag and a duffel. Oh, yeah. And I had the new ever goods transit duffel and the accompanying packing cube that goes with it. Yeah. And this is a very recent release from Ever Goods. And, boy, that duffel is fuckin fantastic. It absolutely crushed that trip. It was fantastic. It’s got, like, a little bit of, um, not a hard shell. It’s got some protection for it. Then it’s got structure and protection. So I had, like, a microphone in there that we needed. I had stuff in there that my camera stuff that was a little that I feel bad about throwing the bag around at all because everything felt very safe in there. Super comfortable straps are great. Organization is great. I mean, it’s just a big duffel, but it was absolutely great. I loved it.

Paul Scheer [00:39:47] Well, that’s interesting because I love I love my own. I have some ever good stuff. And the one that I traveled with, you told me that the 35 liter one. Great, great bag.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:39:59] Oh yeah.

Paul Scheer [00:39:59] But the lack of pockets sometimes gets me. And this one looks like I have some nice pockets. Okay, this is good to know.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:40:06] That’s a great duffel. If you like a duffel. I think that bag is dynamite.

Paul Scheer [00:40:10] All right, I don’t mind a duffel. Sometimes you need a duffel bag. All right, Jason, lovely chat with you. Lovely solving everybody’s problems as normal. We will see you next time.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:40:19] Keep those gear questions. Keep those bag and gear questions coming, everybody.

Paul Scheer [00:40:24] Thank you, Jason. And thank you for all who called. Remember, you can call us anytime. And Jason and I will be there for you at 619-PAUL-ASK because Jason and I can’t talk, technically, about a lot of things that we watch in and do because we’re on strike and that’s kind of against the rules, I think. So anyway, call us, we have to talk about you and we love it even more than talking about us. Now that we got to Switch out of the way. Let’s talk about next week’s movie. We are going from a body swap comedy about a guy who was killed and resurrected by Satan to a body swap horror film about a serial killer possessed by Satan. It’s kind of like a body swap movie, in a way with Satan. That’s right. Next week, we are watching the 1990 horror crime thriller First Power, starring Lou Diamond Phillips. Here’s a short breakdown of the plot. An L.A. police officer and a psychic hunt a serial killer who’s possessed by Satan. Rotten Tomatoes gives this film a 25% score on the tomato meter. Letterbox user Dave P writes, “At one point, the ghost starts doing kung fu moves and bits.” I don’t remember that, but it doesn’t surprise me. Anyway, let’s take a listen to the trailer.

Trailer Audio [00:41:26] The third power. Can be anywhere. The second power can be anyone. The first power, immortality. Lou Diamond Phillips. Tracey Griffith. The First Power.

Paul Scheer [00:41:51] Okay. We are almost to the end of the episode. But before we go check out this bonus scene from our Switch show where we answer a couple of extra audience questions.

Paul Scheer [00:41:59] All right. Your name and your question.

Audience Member [00:42:01] My name is Polly. We’re calling this movie very homophobic. But isn’t it also incredibly progressive that God is both a man and a woman?

Paul Scheer [00:42:11] That God is both a man and a woman? Isn’t that a very progressive message?

June Diane Raphael [00:42:15] Yeah, I think it’s both. Both sides now?

Jessica St. Clair [00:42:19] Jodie was right to give the boot. No, I think they did a lot of have your cake and eat it, too. I think that the writers felt they were being both like representative of women and men.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:42:37] I think it’s regressive by positing that there is a God.

June Diane Raphael [00:42:44] Boston.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:42:48] I would rather. I would rather there be witches than God.

Jessica St. Clair [00:42:56] Wow.

June Diane Raphael [00:42:57] Okay.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:42:58] No, no. As the as the driving force of the movie, I would rather they be witches than God, because at least the magic makes sense. But the magic of God? Come on. What are we doing here?

Paul Scheer [00:43:13] All right. I’m in the last row of the balcony asking a question. Getting a question from someone in the second to last row. Your name and your question.

Audience Member [00:43:21] My name is Nancy. My question.

June Diane Raphael [00:43:23] Nancy, from the movie? The security guard?

Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:26] Nancy?

Audience Member [00:43:29] Happy to be here. Thank you for that. My question is, what do you call the sexuality that is being exclusively attracted to a woman in an oversize white button down who’s rearranging her imaginary junk? And what are some helpful tips for coming out to friends and family?

Paul Scheer [00:43:46] Wow. Great question.

June Diane Raphael [00:43:49] Yeah, I mean, this is it. It is strange. It is the most beautiful I think Ellen Barkin’s ever looked in any movie. And I will say.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:43:58] Please watch Sea of Love.

June Diane Raphael [00:44:01] I will say, I did watch the movie and think I’m watching Steve. It is a performance that you just realy I did get lost in. Yes.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:44:11] Which and I agree with you guys when you were saying earlier, like, oh, it was too much with the high heels to get on too long. And I agree with you. But it was the thing that kept. I feel like letting it was the physical and external that allowed Ellen Barkin to continue to crush as the male. Like the the Steve seeping through. And I thought I loved all of it. That as well as the holding her tits while she was running. There was a bunch of there was a bunch of external physical stuff that I felt like helped in a way, but maybe lasted too long, but still was. I thought she did incredible. And that stuff was making the movie work for me in a way.

June Diane Raphael [00:44:51] Yeah, and it was interesting that she did get her hair cut because and this is again, one of the sort of like deep, like psychosexual sort of that the movie can’t really wrap its mind around. But the fact that Steve in Ellen Barkin’s body was more interested in that moment and being comfortable with short hair than being attracted to herself?

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:17] She kept also being like, ugh all this hair.

June Diane Raphael [00:45:19] I hate dealing with this body and yet also I’m attracted to my own body. It was very again, it was like.

Paul Scheer [00:45:28] Why can’t you have a funny scene where she puts on weird lipstick or he has weird eyeshadow like.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:34] What do you mean by weird lipstick?

June Diane Raphael [00:45:40] I totally agree with you. Like, there were comedic beats that were entirely missed.

Jessica St. Clair [00:45:45] Yes. I’d like to see her bumble with a Maxi pad. How much fun could we have had with the Maxi pad?

June Diane Raphael [00:45:51] We could have had a ball. We could have had a ball.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:45:55] That’s where the movie is uninterested in examining all of what it means to be a woman. The movie’s not interested in that. It’s interested in how women are perceived by men. The movie is about the male gaze from a woman’s point of view who is a man.

Jessica St. Clair [00:46:12] Oh my God.

Paul Scheer [00:46:13] The only good woman is a man.

Jessica St. Clair [00:46:15] Stop saying that.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:19] This is an era where body switching. This is the era of the man with two brains.

Jessica St. Clair [00:46:26] Is this freaky friday? No. Freaky Friday was earlier.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:30] You know. You know.

Paul Scheer [00:46:31] Vice versa with Judge Reinhold and and Fred.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:36] The George Burns kid one.

June Diane Raphael [00:46:38] When she says, I had to blow up my hair for an hour every day, I was like, Where’s that scene?

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:45] Yeah.

Paul Scheer [00:46:46] And by the way, you’re very talented at it, because she did a great job.

June Diane Raphael [00:46:51] She did.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:46:52] Yeah, but then there’s a comment about, like, Oh, you look weird. And she’s like, I think I did too much rouge or something and she or something like that. And she looks great though, which would have been but to your point would have been very funny to watch Steve in the body of Ellen Barkin trying to parce all of the elements of making Ellen Barkin look like Ellen Barkin.

June Diane Raphael [00:47:11] And then of course, what we should have seen is Steve the inner Steve understanding like the labor that it takes.

Jessica St. Clair [00:47:17] What it takes to, the emotional labor.

June Diane Raphael [00:47:19] Yes. And to sort of upholding those standards.

Paul Scheer [00:47:25] Steve doesn’t.

Jason Mantzoukas [00:47:28] Paul, shut the fuck up. Paul, we don’t need to hear from you right now.

Jessica St. Clair [00:47:33] Yes.

Paul Scheer [00:47:34] But Steve doesn’t even try on dresses to see what that experience is like. He has. Is that a thing that happens in 1991 that women are at the department store getting outfits?

Jessica St. Clair [00:47:48] How about the saleslady who gets [indiscernable] and then just like inches and just bounces back? She’s like, Here’s your bill. I’m like, Is that the world we live in where you can just grab a woman’s tits?

June Diane Raphael [00:48:01] Well, if you’re another woman, I guess.

Paul Scheer [00:48:05] Have you done that?

June Diane Raphael [00:48:08] Paul, I don’t know where you are. So I feel like answering this question is.

Paul Scheer [00:48:13] All right, that was a fun show. Thank you for listening. Remember to write and review us. It helps. And if you listen on Apple Podcasts, make sure you are following us. Visit us on social media @HDTGM. And a big thanks to our producers, Scott Sonne, Molly Reynolds, our movie picking producer Avril Halley. Our engineers, Casey Holford and Rich Garcia. And of course, a special shout out to Jess Cisneros, who makes our amazing social media videos. We will see you next week for The First Power.