EP. 223 — Unfiltered: AMA with Bob the Drag Queen

Jameela: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to another episode of Ask Me Anything with Jameela Jamil. Um, I have a guest sometimes on this show in which I answer your questions and this week I was blessed to be joined by the one and the only Bob the Drag Queen. If you are not aware of Bob’s work you are truly missing out in life because I genuinely think that Bob is the most special entertainer I may be that we have on the internet or on the television. I’ve had the pleasure of working on screen with him and of interviewing him multiple times and am obsessed. I’m obsessed because he’s just so smart, so funny, so thoughtful, has lived such a fascinating life, such a fascinating outlook on everything from life to love to politics. And so in this Ask Me Anything, sometimes you guys are asking for advice. There’s a little bit of that in here, but mostly you guys wanted to know stuff about me and Bob, especially Bob. And, uh, Bob delivered and was hilarious and candid and perfect as ever. [00:01:00] So I hope that I managed to get to all your most burning questions. I did my best. Um, you sent in the most questions you have ever sent in for an Ask Me Anything episode, uh, which just goes to show how fabulous Bob is. So without further ado, this is the excellent Bob the Fucking Drag Queen.

Hi, how are you?

Bob: Oh, the truth is it’s been a crazy year. This has probably been the roughest year and that’s, I hate to not give you a great answer and I give you like, it’s been great, but this has been a really, really wild year for me. Um, it’s been really busy work wise and it’s been really traumatic personal life wise. You know, I just finished the Madonna tour. I was there, I performed for the largest crowd any solo artists ever performed for. Madonna performed for 1. 6 million people on the Copacabana beach in Rio de Janeiro. I also filmed season three of the [00:02:00] Traitors, so I’m going to be on season three of the traitors, which is just a, that show is wild, Jameela. The Traitors is a really, really wild show. Would you ever do a show like the Traitors?

Jameela: Totally.

Bob: You would?

Jameela: Yeah. Yeah. I think I’d be out within the first, first round, but I would totally do it.

Bob: You never know. You never know. That’s the thing about Traitors. You have no clue who’s going to go far, who’s going to go home early. You have no clue. It’s so it’s, it’s, I would say it’s probably the most unpredictable game there is. It’s, I think it’s more unpredictable than Big Brother than Survivor, than Drag Race, than X Factor, Got Talent. It’s the most unpredictable one there is.

Jameela: It’s masterful television. I cannot wait to watch you. Before we get any further, this is an Ask Me Anything episode where you are here to answer the questions. And an overwhelming amount of the questions wanted to know more about the Madonna tour that you had just quickly mentioned casually. Um, everyone wants to know how, how was it? How, how was that?

Bob: So Madonna is the hardest worker I’ve [00:03:00] ever met in my life, ever. This is bar none. There is not, I have never met a person now granted I’m 38. So I have, I’m not, I haven’t been around that long, but I have been working professionally since I was 18 years old, so for 20 years now in my professional life, and I’ve been, um, working, uh, as professional performer the whole time. She is the hardest working person I have ever met in my entire life, and she expects everyone around her to work as hard, and we have to. Um, it is, uh, really exciting to be around her, in her presence, and she’s really, uh, I genuinely think she’s a creative genius. I mean, hot take, Madonna’s a creative genius, I’m not the first one to say these words out loud. But there’s a reason why she is where she is, there’s a reason why she’s the queen of pop, and it’s certainly not a coincidence.

Jameela: Mhm. And a lot of people wanted to know if you feel like you learned anything on that tour that’s going to stay with you forever.

Bob: Well, I think one thing I learned is I never want to be that famous. I don’t ever want to be that famous. Like I, as a kid, I wanted to be famous. And a lot of us entertainers, you wanted [00:04:00] to be an entertainer is slightly coupled with wanting to be famous. And I don’t care what any famous person says. If you want to be entertaining, you kind of on some level want to be a little bit famous too. But as famous as Madonna, I have no desire to ever be that famous. It’s too much.

Jameela: What, what part of it freaked you out?

Bob: So I invited Madonna out to the club. I was like, you should, you should go. I, I go to this, I used to, when I was in New York City for, uh, working with, working with Madonna, rehearsing, we were there for maybe eight months rehearsing.

Jameela: Lord.

Bob: Is that right? No, that can’t be correct. Seven months rehearsing. And I would go to this party called OTA, uh, OTA, Open To All, which is a ball, a kiki ball that’s, uh, produced by Leggoh Johvera. And it was just, it’s just like a ballroom scene thing, and I would always go and have fun. A lot of the, uh, a lot of the legendary girls would show up. Girls, gays, and theys would show up there. And I was like, you should come, you should come hang out with me. And she was like, I would love to, but of course it’s not like, let’s just head over after rehearsal. It’s like, alright, let’s schedule it, [00:05:00] plan it, call the club, make sure that there’s a VIP section, make sure security’s on deck. That it was such a, it was such an ordeal because she was like, I would love to just come tonight, but I can’t just come to the club tonight. We have to like do a whole recon basically, you know,

Jameela: it’s like taking Obama to a drag club.

Bob: Yeah. I mean, it was wild, but also like, you know, when I was on tour, I would just leave my hotel room and just go to the store. I don’t think she could just walk out of the hotel room or her home in London without, you know, you all call them the pops. The Paps.

Jameela: The paparazzi, the Paps. Yeah.

Bob: Well, the Paps chasing her down, you know.

Jameela: I definitely, I feel like I discovered that, uh, in my 20s being around, because I was an interviewer, so I was often given access to the inner, like, personal life of a lot of massive, massive A list celebrities. I think by the time I was in my 20s, you know, I quit this industry hilariously at 28 and moved to America for a quiet private life lol because I’d been so traumatized by what I’d seen and then, you know, ran out [00:06:00] of money and took the job on The Good Place and then, you know, found a whole new life that I didn’t expect, but, uh, it’s definitely, it’s so interesting to see so many kids wanting to come up and be influencers and be famous, uh, almost more than ever. Like I remember so many kids thinking, I want to be an actress one day when I grow up, but I’ve, I’ve never seen this kind of hunger for being known and perceived and recognized the way it is around Gen Z, and they just have no idea what comes with it. It’s such a mental health clusterfuck.

Bob: Yeah, it’s a beast. Being famous is a beast.

Jameela: Yeah, yeah, totally. It’s obviously it’s the world’s smallest violin, but it is still a small violin that must play.

Bob: Yeah.

Jameela: Because it’s a very real experience that they really, no one really prepares you for it. And it’s so interesting to get the insight from that direction. I’m sure even, you know, at the level that you and I are at, I’m sure there are moments that make you at sometimes we’ll have, have you felt like moments where you felt overwhelmed by how much people love you?

Bob: Well, it’s only really in gay, gay bars or at festivals and stuff.

Typically [00:07:00] speaking, if I’m around, there’s this trend right now on TikTok where, uh, you, you, uh, you know, the, the, the filters with all the celebrities on them.

Jameela: Yes.

Bob: So this one says this trend is like, you show how you would scream if you saw the celebrity in public, right? So some folks, it’ll be like, Oh my God, is that so and so? And then it’s like, they’re like, you know, plucking their eyes out. And I’m a solid, like, uh, I get anything from like, Are you that guy from, you do drag, right? And then I get people who are like, Oh my God, I love you. You’re my favorite drag queen. But never, but no one’s ever going crazy. No one’s fainting. No one’s passing out. No one’s crying. I don’t have these experiences when people see me. People are just kind of like, Oh my God, is Bob the drag queen out here?

Jameela: You didn’t see what happened the first time you DM’d me back so.

Bob: I mean, I was a big fan of yours too, because I, I think I discovered The Good Place during the pandemic because [00:08:00] I was watching, I mean, I knew of it. It was a huge show, but I didn’t start watching it, but I started watching it because, um, Kristen Bell um, had a show on Disney that my boyfriend was obsessed with called Encore. I think it’s called Encore, where they would go and find these high school performances or middle school musicals.

Jameela: Oh, yeah. I remember this.

Bob: They find the entire cast and then 20 years later, they do the whole show again. So there’s like this like 38 year old woman playing Annie and you know, Daddy Warbucks. It was really honestly a very charming show. And then somehow I found The Good Place from Encore. Believe it or not.

Jameela: And then you found me.

Bob: And then I found you. So yeah, and then, and then, and then, of course, I found, uh, Legendary, um, as well, which was, uh, you know, I used to go to the, to the scene, to, uh, Vogue nights down at, um, Escalitas in New York City for years. So then when Legendary came on, me and my, uh, boyfriend were also obsessed with that. So you were a part of two shows that I was pretty much consistently watching nonstop at the same time.

Jameela: During COVID. I’m your COVID memory. [00:09:00]

Bob: You are my COVID memory.

Jameela: A lot of people have been wondering how you managed to cope with a career in which like you’re on another tour now, which we will talk about in a minute, but you’re, you’ve gone from the Madonna tour to filming a show to another tour now of your own. And then at the same time, you’re also doing a lot of, I don’t know if you would qualify it as social justice work, but you are incredibly good at informing people as to what’s going on, and you give your political opinion, and there is an angle, of course, of social justice and raising awareness, so you’re, it feels like you are constantly up to date on everything. You’re sometimes how I first hear about news, because you’re just fucking on it, uh, whether it’s a, something that’s happening on social media or in pop culture or in politics. I think a lot of people want to know how you are able to spin all of this. It’s like, are you fucking exhausted? Are you frayed? How is your mental health?

Bob: [00:10:00] Well, I really like politics and I really like to be up to date on things. It is also very stressful, so it’s like I also hate it, but I feel compelled to know what’s going on, not just politics in America, but obviously politics in the Middle East and in the Congo and in the DR and, you know, Sudan.

So I, but I just genuinely am fascinated by what’s going on. You know, I, I was thinking about going back to school for either politics or, uh, African American studies. Um, but I don’t know when I would actually do that. Like, I don’t realistically know when I would do that, but I did drop out of college, uh, my theater education degree. I mean, 20 years ago now. Um, but then I was like, if I go back to school, I wouldn’t want to go back to school for, um, for theater education. I think I’d want to study either politics, like political science or, um, African American studies.

Jameela: That’s fascinating. Does that mean you want to slow down a little bit in your career?

Bob: No, I think I just want to be able to, uh, have a more informed opinion and, [00:11:00] uh, have actual academia behind my, and I want to say out loud that I do not, uh, revere academia as the pinnacle of knowledge. I think that academia has a lot of, uh, problems, including its problems with racism and sexism and ageism and ableism and all those things. Obviously, academia has a lot of,

Jameela: Yeah, it’s, a lot of the text is written by the oppressor.

Bob: Yeah, but I do feel that sometimes when you have that knowledge and the knowledge that you are, your, your natural inclinations in your own desire to do research. Sometimes, you know, I follow this guy on YouTube named F.D. Signifier. I’m a big, big fan of his. He’s based out of Atlanta, and he has this really beautiful way of talking about research and how important it is to do proper research, and I want to make sure that I’m that I’m doing my research properly, you know.

Jameela: 100%. Do you get a lot of blowback for talking about the things that you talk about?

Bob: Yeah.

Jameela: Do people feel as though because you’re a drag queen, you shouldn’t be weighing in? Do people disagree with you? Do they dismiss you? [00:12:00]

Bob: Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, I’m a comedian and I’m a drag queen, so they think that, you know, stick to jokes, funny girl or funny boy or funny man or whatever they want to say. You know, I, I once got famously called a woke man in a dress by this guy, which I thought was so funny that I named my comedy special Woke Man in a Dress. My, my award winning comedy special, which is available for free on my YouTube page right now, you can go check it out. It’s called, just type in a Woke Man in a Dress and you will see my great, it’s honestly, it’s some of my best work to be honest. Yeah, so people have, but also the, the thing is like, no one is more political than the maligned. No one is more political than the, than the, the downtrodden. You know what I mean? No one is more political than the people who are disproportionately negatively affected by political moves.

Jameela: 100% but you feel as though you still are able to rise above that because I think a lot of people feel very dismissed either because they don’t have an academic background or because they’re young or because they’re a woman or because they’re black or whatever like all these different people who and right now is never I’ve never seen more people more politically minded or politically vocal than in the last nine months.

Bob: It’s the Gen [00:13:00] Z’s. It’s the Gen Z’s. I’m telling you, these Gen Z’s, they don’t mess around. It’s because I honestly want to say that I think that it is truly because of TikTok. TikTok has made it cool to want to know politics, to want to understand politics, and obviously there are other people doing the work to who are on Tiktok. You know, uh, Taraji P. Henson said on the BET Awards for everyone to go look up Project 2025. And that was the day that Project 2025 was the most googled ever.

Jameela: And is that what led to Donald Trump then denouncing Project 2025? Because everyone was looking at it.

Bob: It may have because finally everyone’s looking he has to be like, I have nothing to do with this. I’ve never heard of Project 2025. Meanwhile, the people who are working on it used to be, several of them used to be in his cabinet. And it’s like, oh, you’re telling me you’ve never heard of it meanwhile, there are literally people from your cabinet. Okay, sure, Mary, sure.

Jameela: How do you cope with the ongoing stress? You said it’s stressful. You said sometimes, I think you alluded to the idea that sometimes it could be unpleasant. How do you deal with the stress of taking all of that on being so [00:14:00] informed, also having your own life, also having your own personal issues go on? What do you do to balance your mental health? That’s what a lot of people want to know, because they look up to you for the fact that you are able to contain so many multitudes.

Bob: Well, I, I’m in therapy. I strongly recommend you if you, if you can get therapy and also just you all know, there are, there are several affordable ways to have therapy. Um, whether it be online therapy, whether you go down to the local LGBT center and let them know that you need help. You know, your insurance might pay for your therapy. Um, there’s so many ways to pay for therapy. Um, there are even places they give out free therapy to people who can’t afford it. Just it depends on where you are and obviously your demographic. Sometimes there’s, you know, therapy for women, for queer people, for different people in different circumstances, so just look at it. It might take a little bit of work, but there is therapy available to you. Um, so I have a therapist, uh, shout out to Devante, lovely, lovely man. And also, you know, I have a lot of friends to talk to as well. And, you know, I just went through a pretty traumatic experience this year. My mom passed away this year. And so,

Jameela: Oh [00:15:00] my god, I’m so sorry.

Bob: I know. It was really rough. My mother passed away on Mother’s Day. Isn’t that insane? Isn’t that like the craziest thing you’ve ever heard?

Jameela: That’s really insane. I’m so sorry.

Bob: Well, thank you. And, you know, being able to have my family there, and then I’ve also started to have this weird bond with other people whose moms are dead, especially people under 40 whose moms have passed away. You’re part of this club that you never wanted to be in. You can’t get out of. You’ve already paid your dues. You know what I mean? Your membership is already paid for and we were all having this experience like together. We’re having this experience whether we want to have it or not. It is now cemented in the fabric of our being. You know what I mean? You know, I call myself a motherless child. That’s how you feel when something like this happens and you kind of can’t un, it can’t be undone, even though you have moments like just today, I was, I was headed to work and I was like, [00:16:00] I like to call people when I’m on my way to the office and I was like, I literally without thinking my mom, my mother has been dead for over a month now, over two months I think. I was like, I’m gonna call my mom on the way to work, but I was because you’re, I mean, for 38 years, I’ve been doing that. Well, I’m not, I haven’t been going to work for 38 years, but for the past like 20 years or so.

Jameela: Child labor.

Bob: Yeah, child labor. For the past 20 years or so, that’s what I’ve been doing, calling my mom on the way to work, you know? So, I think that being able to commiserate or, uh, relate to other people who are going through what I’m going through, um, therapy and my, and my friends.

Jameela: I had no idea, and I’m so, so sorry that that happened, and I, um, I really commend you for even being able to carry on with your insane life right now, because I can’t imagine how much shock, you know, is involved in such a huge loss, a monumental loss.

Bob: Yeah, it was pretty crazy. The craziest thing is that I went and filmed The Traitors to like, [00:17:00] oh my God, I cannot disrecommend this enough to anyone, by the way, but, you know, I obviously agreed to do The Traitors and then my mother passed away. And then I had to go film The Traitors two weeks after my mom passed away. Like, it was, it was crazy. It was crazy.

Jameela: Do you think it changed, obviously you can’t talk a lot about it, but do you think it changed? Did it make you like more of a killer in there, you know, for your mom? You can’t say anything.

Bob: I will say this when you, it certainly shaped the way that I played the game. And when you see what I was up to in that house and what I did in that house, um, I am very proud of the job I do on that show. I mean, very proud. I’m so proud of myself. My mother would be so proud of me. Um, I’m so happy that I did what I did when I was there. Very happy.

Jameela: It’s an extraordinary context to have on top of that.

Bob: Right?

Jameela: Yeah, it’s really shocking that you were able to go and do something so unbelievably complicated. You are [00:18:00] about to go on a massive tour of your own and the people want to know what’s happening. Tell me about the stand up tour. It’s a sort of stand up and music and crowdwork.

Bob: It’s all straight up standup. It’s all straight up stand up. This is straight up 100% pure stand up. So I’ve been doing stand up comedy for probably 16 years now. A lot of people don’t know that I’ve been that I got my drag start, my first ever performance was at the New York Comedy Club doing stand up comedy. That was my first time doing a drag performance. And it was also my first time doing comedy. My first time doing standup was my first time in drag, um, which is bold. I am nothing if not bold. And this show is called, This Is Wild. It is my love letter to millennials. This is my, my, you know, homage to those of us who are about to turn 40 or have turned 30 in the past, like five years or so. Like, I’m so proud of us. We are, in my opinion, the best generation alive right now.

Jameela: Wait, why?

Bob: [00:19:00] It’s because of, first of all, all of your favorite pop stars are, are, uh, millennials. Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Lizzo, uh, Janelle Monáe. Like, they’re all millennials. You know what I mean? Um, not only that, but, um, it’s because of what, what age we were, when we went through what we went through. You know what I mean? We are living through unprecedented times and outside of a few 80 something year olds who are alive during Pearl Harbor, uh, there are very few people who have been through what we have been through when we, in the age we were. We are, we are a very impressive and we also, we, we invented social media. I need to be clear about that. We invented social media. We turned the internet into what it is today. We are the last generation to learn completely useless skills. No one behind us knows how to send a fax. No one behind us knows how to even write in cursive. No one behind us knows how to balance a checkbook. And no one in front of us knows how to use the internet. No one in front of us knows how to, how to [00:20:00] send, how to send an email properly.

Jameela: Also, we got rid of low rise pants. But somehow, Gen Z have brought them back, but we, we had, we had erased those. We did bring them in. I will admit, but we took them out again. We recognize the error of our ways and somehow they’re fucking back.

Bob: The whale tail is back. We invented the selfie. We invented the selfie. Do you all realize this? So the generations ahead of us can’t even attach a picture to an email and the generation behind us doesn’t know how to send a fax. We are the keepers of the culture.

Jameela: But we also invented the clelfie. Do you remember that?

Bob: What was the, what was the clelfie?

Jameela: When you had to try and get your clitoris and your face in the same picture and still look good. Was that just an English thing? Did I just break you?

Bob: Did you ever succeed? Did you ever succeed in the clelfie?

Jameela: I was still a practicing Muslim, I think, at that time, so no. Hahaha!

Bob: It’s not too late for you to jump into your clelfie, uh, era.

Jameela: Bring that back along with the low rise pant. Yeah.

Bob: Exactly.

Jameela: You know what? I haven’t gotten into enough [00:21:00] trouble on the internet, have I, Bob?

Bob: There is this, uh, there’s this drag queen of Yvie Oddly who kind of, uh popularized the micro nude, which is where she posted a nude of herself on her instagram, on her twitter. But it’s like, it is the, it’s like, it’s like the size of your pinky nail on the screen.

Jameela: So it’s like a naked poly pocket.

Bob: Basically, and it made everyone so excited to participate in the micro nude. So it’s a way to, it’s a way to like liberate yourself from the shame of your body and your nudity, but still engaging it with while somehow censoring yourself. It’s actually really funny. If you guys want to check out Yvie Oddly’s micro nudes on her, uh, on her social media, they’re really funny. They’re on her Twitter.

Jameela: Oh man. So people who were writing in wanted to know, and a lot of the times we just get general questions, but people did want to send a lot of very specific questions to you. But people wanted to know who your, who our, but who your mentor has been in your life.

Bob: My mentor? Well, I have a few actually. Um, you know, [00:22:00] Peppermint is one of my best friends and one of my New York City nightlife mentors. She’s amazing. Bianca Del Rio has provided mentorship to me. Sherry Vine are probably the three drag queens who I really look up to the most in New York City when I was an up and coming queen. Um, and then once I, uh, got on drag race, I started learning a lot from Peaches Christ, the San Francisco icon. And then I get mentorship from my friends as to Monét X Change, Matteo Lane.

Jameela: Yeah. Do you, do you mean this in a kind of professional sense or do you mean the people who teach you how to navigate this life?

Bob: Well, I would say Matteo and Monét, my friends, the mentorship I get from them, this like mentorship program back and forth between us, that is certainly about my life. And when it comes to Sherry vine, Peppermint and, um, Bianca Del Rio, that was definitely like professional. By the way, they were, this is not official mentorship that this was a tutelage they were giving me against their will, and without their consent. I would just come to their shows and take notes and follow them [00:23:00] around until they liked me, basically.

Jameela: I’m sure that wasn’t, that didn’t take very long to achieve. I, um, I never really had a mentor, but I think that’s probably why I’m so much of a messier bitch than you are.

Bob: Are you messier than me? I don’t know.

Jameela: No, no, no. Not in the good way. I’m just messy, but I’m yeah, I, I didn’t, I haven’t really had a, a mentor, so to speak, but I would say that I feel the same way as you about the fact that my friends are the people who I would consider, all of my best friends. And I’ve got so many of just close friends, um, especially the boys that I live with and just a lot of my friends who I’ve known since I was 19, those are the people who have really like picked me up and told me off and guided me and I do think that we don’t use that term. You’re the first person I’ve ever heard refer to their friends as their mentors and I think that’s really lovely because we massively take for granted the fact that so much of our insights or us being able to look at ourselves in the mirror comes from the person holding up that mirror is often the person who loves you the most.

Oh yeah, 100%.

Rather than some great [00:24:00] revered you know academic or public figure. It’s normally the people who keep your feet like like, nail your feet to the ground.

Yeah, or as we say, hold your feet to the fire, you know what I mean?

That’s nicer than my one, but only very slightly.

Bob: Yeah, literally.

Jameela: Another question people want to know is, do you still walk into the room purse first?

Bob: You know, I carry a purse, uh, or a fanny pack almost every day of my life, everywhere that I go. Um,

Jameela: But some people might not know what that expression means. So explain it please.

Bob: When I was on Ru Paul’s Drag Race, I, on episode one, I made this hideous purse that I became obsessed with. And then my friends were like, Thorgy Thor specifically was like, well, how did you go on the runway? And I said, well, I did, well, I walked out purse first and then I started kind of doing this song. I made up the song on the spot, which ended up being probably my, my, my most popular song is available on Spotify still to this day Purse First by Bob The Drag Queen, accompanied by music video. So, you know, it became kind of a mantra for me, honestly, it actually became kind [00:25:00] of an anti capitalist mantra about how all these Queens spent all this money on my season of drag race, all this stuff, but the most iconic thing was literally this purse made of cardboard and and the curtains was like the thing that made the biggest impact for my season. It wasn’t the, wasn’t the the expensive wigs, wasn’t these brilliant costumes, it was this little purse, this little purse that I called Purse Purse I’m First that I really, you know, loved.

Jameela: Yeah, I think that’s also your magic. I mean, walking into drag race, you just knew. You said that you knew when you got the call that you were going to win drag race.

Bob: For sure.

Jameela: And you knew even before you got the call

Bob: Yeah.

Jameela: That you were gonna win drag race just when you were just before when

Bob: A queen about town. I was

Jameela: Just a queen about town. Yeah. A queen of the world.

Bob: I can win drag race. Yeah.

Jameela: A lot of people want to know, a lot of people want to know if you’ve ever been approached by a cult.

Bob: Oh, I mean, I did tour with Madonna. I’m kidding. No, I’ve never been, been approached by a, what have I ever been approached by a cult? I mean, there’s a chance that I [00:26:00] have, and I just didn’t know it. You know what I mean? I mean, I used to be, I used to be a Christian. I’m not sure that Christianity is, is not a cult. Like guys, organized religion is, yeah, I think y’all are forgetting because there’s like,

Jameela: The story isn’t more ridiculous than the scientology story.

Bob: Right?

Jameela: The origin story is equally obscene.

Bob: I think y’all think that because like, uh, Islam and Christianity and Judaism are like the biggest religions, they’re, they’re not still somehow a little culty, like I’m, I’m, I was only raised Christian, so I don’t know much about the other religions, but I just think right now that organized religion, especially on the Judeo Christian level is, is super culty.

Do you know that, do you know that, uh, Catholics believe that when you take communion, when you take the communion, like the, the, the wine and the, and the bread, it actually turns into the actual body of Christ inside of your body, somewhere between here and here, the wine literally turns into Jesus’s blood. And they believe that [00:27:00] the cracker literally turns into his flesh. And you’re, you’re digesting his flesh,

Jameela: Like lab grown meat?

Bob: Like I would say like a 2000 year old charcuterie board.

Jameela: Oh my god.

Bob: They, they think they’re actually eating human, eating human flesh and drinking human blood. Your hair is so thick. It should not, it doesn’t seem fair that some people in the world can’t grow any hair. Hi, I’m some people, and some people are growing an abundance of it. That doesn’t seem fair to me.

Jameela: Okay. We’re the same exact age. I took your hair.

Bob: Yeah, exactly.

Jameela: We were in the same hospital and I took your hair. Hahaha! I have never been approached for a cult, and I don’t know if you would either, because I think we both have quite strong cult leader energy.

Bob: Oh, yeah.

Jameela: I don’t think anyone would look towards us as a follower of anything. I think they’d think that we were both a fucking problem.

Bob: Yeah.

Jameela: You know what I mean? We would, we would Judas the cult. We would, or we would at least like, um, Trojan horse it and then parasite it and eat it from the inside and [00:28:00] then take over. I don’t think anyone would trust either of us in, in a cult. We would undermine the leader very, very quickly and amass, um, power, I think, right?

Bob: Yeah. I’d be like, guys, have you guys noticed that there’s an imbalance of power here? We need to, we need to rise up. We have the power, not this guy or this lady or this person. And I don’t want to exclude non binary people. You are perfectly capable of being cult leaders as well.

Jameela: Yeah, no, no, no group has ever wanted me, uh, ever of any kind. I’ve had to thrust myself into every space I’ve ever existed purse first. Um, yeah, I can’t imagine either of us as cult leaders. Um, someone wants to know a more personal question, which is, you know, the last time you were on this podcast, you were talking specifically about your life and you were talking to me about polyamory at the time. You had two different boyfriends. Are you still with those boyfriends?

Bob: No, I, I went one of, me and one of my partners are no longer together, but me and Jacob are still Jacob and I’ve been together for like seven years, almost eight years [00:29:00] now. Um, so he and I are still together, but I’m still quite polyamorous. I just happened to, uh, the roster has changed.

Jameela: Right. Fair enough. And I think this person’s asking sort of for tips because they want to know how you manage the jealousy in a polyamorous relationship.

Bob: Okay. So, jealousy is, it is, guys, it is okay to be jealous. It is okay to experience jealousy. Polyamory is not about not being jealous. It’s not about ignoring. It’s just about acknowledging it. Like, hey, this made me feel this way. You have to be really open and really honest with your partners about what you’re experiencing, about how you feel. You just have to be really open, honest about those things, and if you’re able to do that, then you’re able to move past those things. We’re not saying you can’t be jealous, but maybe ask yourself, why are you feeling jealous? Do you feel jealous because maybe you think that the other person, that your partner loves the other person more than you because they have more fun with the other person than you? Then your partner can probably tell you, oh no no, we just have fun in a different way, we just have a different kind of fun. It doesn’t mean that I don’t have fun with you. [00:30:00] You know what I mean? Like, you, you all, you just have fun in different ways.

Jameela: Why do you think we’re so embarrassed of admitting we’re jealous? It’s a difficult thing for some people to admit to.

Bob: Well, being accused, I mean, when you’re accused of being jealous, you’re jealous of me. You’re jealous of me. Like, it’s, it’s an accusation. You know what I mean? So I think the cultural context of jealousy, because it kind of insinuates that like, I, I don’t have something that you have.

Jameela: Yeah, you, you are lesser or you have less.

Bob: Yeah, because you have something I want and I don’t have it, which, which, by the way, isn’t a bad thing. There’s, there’s nothing wrong with, you know, I have this theory, hear me all the way out before you jump down my throat, okay? Okay. I, now I have never seen a single episode of the Kardashians and it’s not because it’s not because I don’t like them. I have,

Jameela: It’s just escaped me. Yeah.

Bob: Yeah. I just don’t typically watch reality TV that’s not competitive. I prefer my reality TV to be competitive. I want someone to win something in the end. That’s why I watched Legendary. That’s why I watched drag race. That’s why I watched Got [00:31:00] Talent. I want someone to win something in the end, but I think that a lot of people don’t like the Kardashians because they, because the Kardashians have something that they want and they think they deserve it more than them

Jameela: Mm hmm.

Bob: You see what I’m saying? So they’re like, well,

Jameela: I think this for lots of influences and celebrities, right?

Bob: Right. No one’s mad at Beyonce because they don’t think they can do what Beyonce does. They don’t think they deserve what Beyonce has, but when you see someone, let’s say, for example, Taylor Swift. Some people don’t like Taylor Swift because they say she can’t sing, right? So someone who was like, I can sing better than her. Why are I not in Taylor’s? Why, why am I not where Taylor Swift is? Or they’ll see an actor who they think they can act better than this actor or a comedian who they think they’re funnier than, why should this comedian get these things when I think I actually am better at that thing than they are. So I would like their fame, their accolades. I would like their riches. You want what they have and you think you deserve it more than they deserve it. Right? So, but then you [00:32:00] don’t want to call it jealousy because then you’re like, I’m not jealous of the Kardashians, but if you want what they have and you don’t have it and you’re mad about it, aren’t you a little jealous?

Jameela: For sure.

Bob: And it’s okay to acknowledge that you’re a little bit jealous of the Kardashians.

Jameela: Yeah, I also think that’s not the only reason that people don’t probably like any influencer or celebrity, but I do, I do totally, I do totally agree, and I, I see what you’re saying. I, I don’t think I’ve ever felt jealous of another lover, but that’s, and I don’t know what’s wrong with me. I think there’s like a sort of sociopathic chip missing or something. I’ve never experienced jealousy before. I’m completely oblivious, like painfully easy to cheat on. Scary. Wouldn’t, wouldn’t notice. Had a friend who was like fully, fully trying to crack onto my boyfriend, uh, like two years ago and everyone could see it and she was making him really uncomfortable and I literally, I can’t see it. I cannot read any of the cues. I don’t feel the jealousy, so maybe that’s it. Maybe it’s because I’m too stupid to [00:33:00] recognize, uh, differences between myself and other people, but, um, I get bad FOMO. I guess that’s the only thing. But what do you do once you feel those jealous feelings? If you have to, you’re saying you know that there’s still a stigma attached to admitting you’re jealous. Can you give someone a way that they could approach their partner? Because there’s a possibility that that person’s going to judge you because there’s a, I guess there’s an alignment with jealousy and insecurity.

Bob: Yeah.

Jameela: That you feel unattractive to admit that you feel insecure.

Bob: You’re always being judged by everyone all the time. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bad thing, but people are passing judgment on you constantly. That’s how they form their opinions of you. So you can’t be afraid of being judged because that’s a part of the human experience. That’s how you form your opinions about the people around you by judging them, right? So just go up to your partner, tell them the truth, be open and be honest with them because I believe when you are open and honest and you tell them the truth, that gives them an opportunity to love you for who you truly are and not who you’re pretending to be.

Jameela: That’s incredibly fair. And then how do you resolve the feelings of the jealousy? What do you do with that? If someone sticks around, especially in like a polyamorous relationship where there [00:34:00] might be a dual relationship happening, how do you digest that? I’m sorry if that’s too personal question. It doesn’t have to be how you digest it, but how would you advise someone else? I think a lot of people register that polyamory makes sense and would be an easier way to live, especially with more and more long distance relationships, et cetera. But I think a lot of people don’t know how they would actually resolve that feeling. And so that scares them because they’re worried about what kind of ugly side of themselves they might see.

Bob: Yeah. I guess it just depends on what you are jealous about. You know what I mean? Like for example, if you are afraid that you think your partner’s other partner is more beautiful than you, then just, you know, ask your partner to say, can you just give me compliments? Can you assure me that you find me beautiful? Can you assure me that you think I’m attractive? And honestly, there’s nothing wrong with asking for what you want. I love compliments, especially compliments on my physical beauty. I genuinely feel very good about myself when someone that I, especially when someone that I find beautiful tells me that they find me beautiful too. [00:35:00] Oh my goodness. I, that could, that could send me for probably, uh, maybe three days straight.

Jameela: Don’t even need to eat, just fill up on the compliment.

Bob: No sunlight, no nothing to drink, compliments. The doctor prescribes compliments, honey.

Jameela: Okay, next question, because I want to make sure that we get these before I lose you. Someone said, what compliment feels more sentimental, hot or cunt?

Bob: Wait, what’s the first one, cunt, or?

Jameela: Hot.

Bob: Hot. Oh, hot, you’re saying hot. I thought you said heart. Here’s the thing, I know I’m cunt.

Jameela: And what does, for anyone who just, who’s not heard this expression before, who’s new to this podcast, who thinks, I’ve just called you a cunt. Can you explain cunt?

Bob: So, cunt has a lot of connotations and it’s evolved a lot over the years. So, essentially, one of the contexts that we use cunt for now is like, you’re ova. Like, you are, [00:36:00] you are sickening, you are tens, you are, you are remarkable at the thing that they’re talking about. So your performance can be cunt, your look can be cunt. Cunt also can mean particularly feminine. For me, I’m talking about you being ova, you being amazing, you being tens across the board, you being remarkable, you doing a great job, you being impeccable at what it is that you’re doing. I know that I am that, especially in my professional career. I already know that. I struggle with my own, uh, self image sometimes. So when someone calls me hot, ooh, I’m telling you. That can, I can, I can sustain myself on a couple of those compliments for a long time now. I don’t put myself out there for it. I don’t post thirst traps, so whenever the compliments come completely randomly, whoo, baby, I’m good.

Jameela: I think you’re stunning. I truly love your face. I literally love your face.

Bob: Oh, thank you. Oh my god.

Jameela: I notice I get like a little dopamine rush when you pop up on my TikTok. Isn’t that weird? I was like, is it, is it a crush? Is it just love? I think it’s just [00:37:00] love. Um, but yeah, I get, I just, I just fucking love you and I love your face. I don’t know what to tell you.

Bob: You know that I think you are incredibly beautiful. I’ve said it on, I’ve said it on, I’ve said it to your, I’ve said it to your face. I’ve said it behind your back online. I’ve said it several times. You’re incredibly beautiful. Um, and also this, this lady, a lady hit on me on the plane the other day, and then she found out that I was, um, gay and she was over it. Uh, which by the way, I’m not necessarily, I’m, I’m pansexual. So like, she stood a chance, but I guess she wasn’t into the gayness, the queerness of it all. But having that lady hit on me was like, Oh my God, I cannot believe a, like a woman just hit on me. That is crazy. I feel so good about myself today.

Jameela: Yeah, I was gonna say, did it make your day? And of course it did.

Bob: Oh my, are you kidding me?

Jameela: Um, someone’s asked quite a passive aggressive question. They said, did working in children’s theatre, we both worked for the same company, as in you and this person, prepare you adequately for the tomfoolery of working with the other queens?

Bob: So the funny thing about children’s theater, uh, drag, I’ve always said that drag is children’s theater for [00:38:00] adults. Like if you ever go to a drag show, it is literally we’re, we’re doing the same things in drag, teaching everyone how to do a show, teaching everyone how to behave. We’re regulating the crowd. We’re entertaining them, but we’re just doing it with adult themes, usually at the club. Uh, so I would say that my training as a, uh, children’s theater performer, I don’t know if this person was either with Missoula, the Missoula Children’s theater. I worked for the Missoula Children’s Theater, I worked for Climb Theater, and I worked for the Grumbling Griffin’s Traveling Children’s Theater, um, in my, in my younger years. All of that made me the queen I am today, truly.

Jameela: That’s how you’re a winner. Because you were just

Bob: There it is.

Jameela: Yeah, you were raised right into it. Someone’s asked what musical we would both likely perform together. I immediately think Chicago. And I dunno, which one of us, oh, Chicago is Roxy Hart. . . Just ’cause I’m imagining us performing that final routine, um, what, what musical do you think we would do together?

Bob: I think you and I would be great in Jesus Christ superstar. Oh my [00:39:00] God. , you and I in Jesus Christ Superstar would be phenomenal. I’d want to be King Herod uh, who sings, you know, you are the Christ, you’re the great Jesus Christ. I imagine you’d make a great Mary Magdalene. You might also make a great Pontius Pilate as well.

Jameela: I have trauma around that particular musical because I was tree number three. And I was, and I was so, which I don’t think is an official character, but they gave me, I didn’t, to not even make tree number one, um, at the age of, at the ripe age of seven, even then I knew that, that this was shade. And I, um, and I was pushed so far to the back that I fell off the back of the stage, uh, in front of everyone. Did steal the show, but, um, for all of the wrong reasons.

Bob: Putting a seven year old in Jesus Christ Superstar is wild. That is a pretty intense show. Yeah, that is a really, it’s, but it’s one of, it’s one of my all time favorites. It’s one of my all time favorite [00:40:00] shows. Like I absolutely love Jesus Christ Superstar. I saw a really brilliant production of it at the open air theater in, in, um, in London.

Jameela: Wait, I’ve got the wrong musical.

Bob: Wait, wait, what are you, I was like a seven year old in Jesus Christ Superstar?

Jameela: I’m sorry. Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat! That’s a very different production.

Bob: That makes more sense.

Jameela: Yes, yes, sorry about that.

Bob: I was like, a seven year old??

Jameela: That is very advanced for children. Sorry, it was Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat, I was tree number three. Sorry to my school, um, that was a mistake. Anyway, Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat, very different vibe.

Bob: And the next year they did a really odd production of The Iceman Cometh right after that.

Jameela: Hahaha! God, I did have so many traumatic moments on stage at that school. The worst one was when, I don’t know if you had any embarrassing [00:41:00] school plays, you were probably amazing at everything that you did, but I remember my first part, um, I was probably about six and I got to play Oliver’s mother. We did, by the way, do quite advanced plays and it’s definitely Oliver. Um, and I have to die, and that’s my entire job, like clearly they had written me off as an actor at the very beginning of my life, so I was given one job which was to die at the very beginning of the play, and Oliver’s with me or something, or no, Oliver’s just been born, and I just have to say, please, give me my baby, and then I die. And when I died, the entire audience like shrieked, all these adults. And I was like, Oh my God, I’m so talented. They believe I’m actually dead. But what actually happened is that I was lying with my feet towards the audience. And, um, I’d forgotten to wear underpants that day because that’s what six year olds do. Sometimes we just forget to put on our underpants. So when I died, I knew to make my body sort of limp. And so my legs sort of, my feet just went apart and [00:42:00] revealed unto. a large crowd of adults, um, my full vagina, my full child vagina. And I had no idea until I’d walked off stage. I just, I was just imagining, you know, winning my Oscar.

Bob: You were like, I ate that.

Jameela: Yeah. I was like, they think I’m actually dead. I think someone’s going to call an ambulance and take me to the fucking hospital. Oh my God. I’m going to have a funeral, um,

Bob: How long did you lay there? But

Jameela: Like too long. I’d say a minute.

Bob: Too long.

Jameela: 60 seconds. 60 seconds of, um, child, child gentles, it was too much, far too much for everyone.

Bob: Poor Jameela Jamil.

Jameela: And people were really, like, upset, and I really thought it was because they were devastated for me, so yeah, mortified.

Bob: Baby Jameela. Oh my god. Sweet baby Jameela.

Jameela: What was your best memory from childhood theater?

Bob: I mean, so I really didn’t start doing theater until I was in high school. So I didn’t have, I was, I didn’t have any of those, uh, early, early plays, but I do remember in [00:43:00] Jesus Christ Superstar, I was the person who whipped Jesus. That was my, my role cause I can’t, I can’t sing. So I never got a, I never got a singing role ever, ever, never, not once. Actually, no. Oh my God. I just remembered my, it just came back to me in a moment. I did Les Mis. We did Les Mis at the Clayton County Schools Performing Arts Theater. And, um, I was cast as, uh, Claquesous, who is one of, um, Thénardier’s no, I was, I ended up being clock a soup before that I was, uh, this other character whose name I can’t remember right now, but he has this solo and then the music director did not like me. He hated me

Jameela: Why?

Bob: Because I couldn’t sing.

Jameela: That’s fair.

Bob: He hated that I couldn’t sing and he thought I was ruining his, his play. So, um, he, after I’d already been cast in this role, he was like, I don’t think, in front of the whole, uh, cast, he was like, I don’t think you can sing this part. And I was, and I was like, well, I mean, if I, if I’m able to practice a little bit, [00:44:00] I’m sure I can. So then he goes, well, then sing it now. He starts playing it in double time. I mean, like playing it faster than he then, and I couldn’t keep up with him. And then he was like, see, you can’t sing it, so we’re taking the part away from you.

Jameela: What a cunt. Not in the good way.

Bob: No. Yeah. No. Yeah. In front of everyone, in front of the entire cast, and then he cast me as Claquesous after that.

Jameela: Do you think every moment of your success since has been a response to that moment? But yeah, I, I wonder if, if all of this is just a trauma response to, to, to that moment, and me is to, you know, is to every time I got dismissed, uh, in the casting for a school play.

Bob: I feel like now, from, from now on, if you’re like, if you’re like, if you do anything on the West End or Broadway or something, and if the audience is really like, moved by your performance, you’ll, you’ll always be

Jameela: I’m gonna think my pussy’s out. Yeah.

Bob: You’ll always be slightly afraid that you’re, that you’re showing lip. You know what I mean?

Jameela: Yeah, well you know what, I’ve been really funny with nudity ever since. Maybe that’s why. Like, I really hate being naked even in the bath. Like, I really [00:45:00] can’t stand it. I cannot stand it. I shower so fast that I’m actually not sure that I’m clean.

Bob: Are you a never nude?

Jameela: Uh, pretty much. Yeah, barely nude. Like it’s like the speed at which I put my clothes back on after intercourse is offensive to the other person. It’s as if I’m going to leave any moment. It’s really, it’s a problem.

Bob: You don’t even lay under the covers together, like even with the covers covering up your body?

Jameela: No, not without my underwear back on immediate, immediately, immediate. So unromantic. Like, before a kiss, before anything, that is it, I’m just fucking, like, if I can get a t shirt on as well, I will, but it’s, uh, it’s extraordinary that I’ve ever been laid more than once by the same person.

Bob: She’s like, if I can get on a full on three piece suit before the person has made it back from the bathroom.

Jameela: If I could put on a full astronaut costume, um. Hahaha!

Bob: I was thinking the other day, I saw this guy at the airport in San Francisco and he was dressed so slutty and I was so grateful because he was so beautiful. And to those

Jameela: Define slutty, like what’s, [00:46:00] what’s he wearing? Give us a visual.

Bob: A crop top that was, a crop top that was, I wouldn’t say short enough for his pecs to be hanging out, but definitely like three inches above his belly button.

Jameela: Is he on the subway?

Bob: No, he’s waiting for the for an uber up at the uber of the uber spot

Jameela: But if we were to put his hand out for a cab and lift his arm up

Bob: You’d probably see a little, you probably see a little bit of nipple. Yeah.

Jameela: Immediately more exciting.

Bob: And I was so grateful that I got to look at that I was like, uh, thank you for

Jameela: But wait, what was he wearing on the bottom half? Was he wearing jeans or shorts?

Bob: Like Gen Z, big baggy Gen Z pants, but they were a little bit low riding. They’re back.

Jameela: Oh, right. Yeah. But was it, was it, was he showing the Brad Pitt fight club fee?

Bob: Uh, no. Cause cause the underwear were quite high.

Jameela: Okay.

Bob: The underwear were quite high, but it was all very, very beautiful and he had long hair, which I loved. I mean, I like a lot of different, I like short hair, I like bald hair. Like I like a lot of bangs, you know, you know, I love bangs.

Jameela: Hahaha. Goth bob.

Bob: But he was, and I just kept thinking to myself, do those of you who go out dressed [00:47:00] slutty, thank you for your service.

Jameela: 100% and I’m sorry that I’m not there with you often enough.

Bob: Oh, and I will never join you. I’m not in the ranks. Baby, I’m not one of them.

Jameela: I think don’t write yourself off. Um, okay, lastly, someone has asked, what is a project either of you would like to do next that you’ve never done before? Or, if you don’t actually want to do a project in the near future, what does your next planned respite, rest, or indulgence look like? A lovely question.

Bob: I mean, for me, I really am, I would, I would like to write a television series. I’ve always wanted to write a television series. The kind of show that I want to watch. And by the way, there are tons of shows that I want to watch. I mean, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m kind of back in my being obsessed with TV bag.

Jameela: What a great time after a nine month strike.

Bob: Literally, right? Also, the strike, the strike was, I’m glad that we did the strike and we got what we need out of it. I’m glad that we’re back. Severance, I need you all to get back on top of things. Dear cast of Severance, writers, producers, directors, [00:48:00] it’s time because I’m now re watching season one of Severance, so I don’t forget what happened when season two comes out. But yeah, I want to write a TV series for sure.

Jameela: Amazing. It’s a huge undertaking. Um, I’ve just started writing one myself and feel immediately intimidated. And I’m also writing a book at the moment. Um, and it’s, it’s a book that’s very scientific and the procrastination is so intense that I was explaining to my producer today that I was supposed to write all afternoon and instead have ended up perfecting a Judy Garland impression, which I don’t need for anything. Literally anything that I will, no one will ever hear that. I was saying, but you’ll share, you’ll share I will never share it. I will never share it. It’s something I’ve learned purely for myself. I, I am a mimic of singers and it’s a secret skill that I have, uh, and it’s something that I can, I can track back every single impression I’ve perfected to a project that I was supposed to do. And this is my weird [00:49:00] procrastination fetish is learning a, a singing impression.

Bob: Yeah. So, so what, so what other, um, people have you, have you, uh, learned to do an impression of?

Jameela: Um, I’ve got a good Amy Winehouse. I’ve got a decent Florence Welch. I have, uh, I can’t do any of the greats like Mariah or Beyonce or anyone who’s really got any significant tone to them, obviously Amy does, but that’s easier to mimic. Uh, but Nora Jones, all of those sorts of people. And then, um, Bob Dylan and Louie Armstrong.

Bob: Bob Dylan??

Jameela: Yeah, Louis Armstrong, strangely good, perfected that at 13 when I had to do a duet because I was on a music scholarship at school as a singer and I, no one liked me, so I had to do a duet by myself and so I did Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald, uh, doing the duet of I Won’t Dance and I would just jump back and forth. Uh, and be the two in what is, I think, officially the most deranged performance in the history of my school. Um, that was very hard for me to live [00:50:00] down because I was a teenager.

Bob: In theory, there’s a video somewhere out there of this remarkable performance.

Jameela: Yes, I’ve got it. It’s VHS. It’s VHS. And I think my mother has it, but yeah, that’s, that’s my strange, I don’t even know why we’re talking about this. I’m sweating immediately. So intimidated by you that I’m scared you’ll force me to do it.

Bob: You’re sweating because of all that hair because you have so much damn hair. See? Now, how great is it to have hair?

Jameela: So for me, I’ve kind of gone, I think it’s amazing you’re writing a TV show. I don’t know. I don’t really know what I’m going to do. Right now I’ve been in a period of very much so that I want to, I want to take a step back from everything. The world feels a little bit too chaotic for me right now and so you’re in a more of a go go go mode and I think i’m slowing down and trying to

Bob: Slow, slow, slow mode.

Jameela: Figure out, i’m in slow slow slow because I think i’m approaching forty and really trying to make sure I have this shit on lock regarding who I am and how my brain works before I reach that milestone. There’s no there’s no achievements I want to [00:51:00] achieve by the time I’m forty but I’d really like to be more sane. And I think that’s a lovely goal, and I would like to understand the world a bit better. Uh, and so I think that’s my goal. Um, and so, for me, I think I’m pulling back. And I think that it’s good that we’re balancing out the world. I took your hair, you took my ambition.

Bob: It all comes out in the wash, right?

Jameela: Exactly. It’s perfect. We are perfectly balancing out the universe. Bob, you’re a, an absolute dream and I adore you. And thank you for answering my audience’s very sporadic and random questions. Um, I used all the ones that came up the most times. People are truly obsessed with you. I have never had this many questions come in for any of my guests before ever, and, and they’ve always been more kind of generic, um, people have been more interested in me, very uninterested in me this week, uh, really just specifically you. I cannot tell you how many Dungeons and Dragons questions I then had, and I didn’t fully understand them. But, um, yeah. Would you like to briefly tell people how you got so [00:52:00] good at Dungeons and Dragons just so I can just quiet the angry moth?

Bob: For sure. So I would never claim to be good at Dungeons and Dragons, but I will say that Brennan Lee Mulligan, one of the top dungeon masters in the world, uh, says that I’m good at it, so I’m going to, I’m going to take that compliment and just ride with it.

Jameela: 100%. Yeah.

Bob: Um, and I, you know, so I was on a show on the, the, The Dropout, uh, platform, which is uh College Humor’s, uh, subscriber platform called Dungeons and Drag Queens. Um, and we did a series with me, Jujubee, and Alaska, in Monét X Change, where we played Dungeons and Dragons for the first time ever. Um, which, shout out to Brennan Lee Mulligan, because they just, uh, had a, they’re doing a campaign, which is, which is where you play a game of Dungeons and Dragons, at Madison Square Garden.

Jameela: Jesus Christ.

Bob: Yeah, that’s how big this game is and this show is like, that’s how, when I say Brennan Lee Mulligan is like one of the top Dungeons and Dragons players in the world, I mean it. He’s doing a campaign at Madison Square [00:53:00] Garden. That’s insane.

Jameela: That’s extraordinary. And will you continue your life of Dungeons and Dragonning?

Bob: You know, if Brennan Lee Mulligan asked me to play again, I will join the ranks again. I’ve been spoiled. I’ve been really spoiled. I played like, in the best way you can possibly play.

Jameela: You have impressed the masses. I was, I was freaked out by how often that question came up and I knew I couldn’t let you leave without in some way referencing it, but I just hadn’t, I hadn’t seen it and I haven’t played the game, so I didn’t yet know enough and then I felt unconfident, but at the end I came through. I came through for everyone.

Bob: The D& D fandom is really intense. If you guys, if you want to watch the, uh, there’s one episode for free up on YouTube, just type in Dungeons and Drag Queens, and if you want to watch the other three episodes, you can go to Dropout, download the Dropout app. And, um, check us out. It’s really fun.

Jameela: Bob. I love you. And I think you are one of the single most entertaining human beings who’s ever existed. Thank you. I really genuinely mean that I’m not a massive ass licker, um, as anyone who’s listened to this podcast knows, but I genuinely, I, I can’t fathom how anyone can be so constantly entertaining and to know that [00:54:00] you did it through such a horrifically difficult year, um, is it makes me want to, just like makes me hate you even more kind of, because how dare you. But thank you for coming on and tell everyone where they can buy tickets for your tour.

Bob: So you can go to seethedragqueen.com. That’s S E E see with your eyes. seethedragqueen.com to get tickets for my tour. I’m going to be going to Australia very soon. My first stop will be in Australia and then we’ll come to North America in the fall. And then in the winter, uh, I will be going to, uh, the, the EU and the UK. And then who knows, maybe I’ll be going to Asia. I would, I’m right now I have three continents. I would love to get one more Africa, Asia, uh, South America. If, and, and you know what, I’ll take Antarctica. If there’s a penguin who wants to see me perform, I’ll do it there. But, uh, you know, once word gets out about how brilliant my show is, I’m sure I’ll make it to the other continents too.

Jameela: 100%. I cannot wait to come see it. Uh, I adore you. I hope to see you soon. Thank you for answering all these questions. Have a [00:55:00] lovely day.

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